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Schools continue to take rights from parents.

 
 
Baldimo
 
Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 11:53 pm
David Parker (search) of Lexington, Mass., is scheduled to go on trial on Sept. 21 for asking his son's public school to provide parental notification before discussing homosexuality with the 6-year old.

The actual charge is criminal trespassing. But the real issue is whether parents or schools will control the teaching of values to children.

The conflict began on Jan. 17, when Parker's then-5-year-old son brought home a Diversity Bookbag from kindergarten. Included was Robert Skutch's "Who's In a Family?" that depicts families headed by same-sex couples. Parker had wanted to decide for himself the timing and manner in which his son was introduced to the subject of homosexuality.

(The Bookbag is supposed to be a voluntary program but the Parkers knew nothing about it in advance.)

Parker immediately e-mailed the Estabrook school principal, Joni Jay (search). Parker expressed his belief that gay parents did not constitute "a spiritually healthy family"; he did not wish his son to be taught that a gay family is "a morally equal alternative to other family constructs."

Parker acknowledged the equal rights of gays but objected to "the 'out of the closet' and into the kindergarten classroom mentality." In essence, Parker highlighted the difference between tolerance, which acknowledges someone's right to make a choice, and acceptance, which is the personal validation of that choice.

The conflict moved quickly from the Diversity Bookbag (search) to the more general issue of parental notification. The Parkers wanted to know if sexuality was scheduled to be discussed in class so they could remove their son. They also wanted their son removed from any "spontaneous conversations" about sexuality that involved an adult.

By law, Massachusetts requires schools to notify parents when sexuality is scheduled for discussion. Lexington School Committee chairman Thomas B. Griffiths explained, "We don't view telling a child that there is a family out there with two mommies as teaching about homosexuality." In an e-mail, the Estabrook school principal stated, "I have confirmed … that discussion of differing families, including gay-headed families, is not included in the parental notification policy."

At an April 27 meeting at the school, Parker refused to leave without an assurance that he would receive parental notification. Arrested for criminal trespass, he spent the night in jail.

When asked why he insisted on staying, Parker replied, "I wanted to see how far they [school authorities] would go for [my] asking something simple."

The state now wishes to impose probation upon Parker, along with other restrictions ?- such as banning him from Lexington school properties without prior written permission from the superintendent of schools. This means he is barred from places to vote, as well as school committee and parent-teacher meetings.

Parker is contesting the charge. Why? After his arraignment, he stated, "I'm just trying to be a good dad." During a May 11 appearance on the FOX News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor," Parker expanded on this statement, saying that he wanted his son "to play on the swing set and make mud pies. I don't want him thinking about same-sex unions in kindergarten."

Parker's attorney, Jeffrey Denner, points to a larger issue ?- "the role of family and what kind of encroachments government can make into children's and people's lives."

Otherwise stated, schools are usurping the parental role of teaching personal values to children. They are not acting as educators but as guardians, "in loco parentis" (in the place of a parent). Some schools clearly consider this function to be their right, even over parental objections. Thus, Estabrook defends its "right" to teach Parker's son to accept same-sex marriages.

Denner hopes to resolve the conflict before trial but he also intends to file a civil suit in federal court against the town of Lexington, the school system and its officials.

Meanwhile, there seems to be a campaign to discredit Parker. The Lexington School Board has reportedly accused Parker of wanting to be arrested to grab "headlines." If true, it is strange that he wasted months on e-mails, faxes and school meetings before making his move. Parker's actions sound more like those of a father with no options left.

The school also claims that Parker's demands would prevent other children from discussing their families or drawing pictures of them.

But this is far from what's been officially requested. According to Neil Tassel, Parker's co-counsel, "the Parkers' proposal was simple: notify them in advance if there is a planned discussion about same-sex issues, and, if an adult becomes involved in a discussion spontaneously begun by a child, then remove their child from the discussion."

School authorities quite reasonably responded that they could not be held responsible for monitoring spontaneous conversations or remarks made in the class. Moreover, they contend that children with gay parents have a right to talk about their families and have their families represented.

At some point in the dialogue, however, reason broke down; police were called. The attacks on Parker have been so intense that Tassel recently found it necessary to write a defense in the local paper denying that his client is a shill for or member of Article 8, a controversial organization opposed to same-sex marriage.

He pointed to Parker's Ph.D. to deflect criticism of his client as an ignorant book burner. To counter the charge that Parker hates gays, Tassel described him as "an exceptionally kind hearted man" whose best friend was gay.

Perhaps Estabrook authorities are trying to divert attention from the real question: Is Parker simply demanding parental notification or not? I think he is.

David Parker cares so deeply that he is willing to go to jail and endure a lengthy court process for the right to be a parent. In a world where a myriad of social problems can be traced back to parental abuse or indifference, it is incredible that Parker is being treated as a criminal and not as the hero he is.

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The school has no right to teach children under a certain age about homosexually. That is the job of the parents not the schools. How can the school take time to teach such a subject when they always complain that they never have time to teach the basics? They should make up their minds.

Why are the schools taking over subjects they have no right to teach about?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 08:17 am
Re: Schools continue to take rights from parents.
Baldimo wrote:
The school has no right to teach children under a certain age about homosexually.

Why not?

Baldimo wrote:
That is the job of the parents not the schools.

Sez who?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 09:28 am
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 09:39 am
Those parents have every right to home-school their kids.

Otherwise, they have to follow the same curriculum as the other children do; even if that means letting their kids learn about immoral gays...

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 09:40 am
Methinks we will be seeing a lot of these stories for a while.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 09:48 am
I am sympathetic to the concerns of relgious parents in public schools. I think that schools need to be sensitive to this cultural differnce.

However, I don't believe that the Parkers want what they say they want.

Would you want your 5 year old son singled out to be taken out of the classroom for any diversity activities?

This would be more damaging to a child than any other solution. Even if I believed that homosexuality was a sin, I don't think I would subject my kid to this.

In a pluralistic democratic society such as ours, it is very difficult (if not impossible) to keep kids from dealing with these issues. A girl in my sons class has two lesbian mothers. Is it fair to not deal with the issue with this little girl. Doesn't she has the right to not have her family life labeled as "unhealthy" or even "sinful".

I teach my kids my values, and I realize that they are exposed to values that I probably disagree with, and I don't have a problem with this.

The key is talking to your kids and helping them reason through the sometime complex world they are a part of.

Perhaps the school could have been more sensitive to these parents concerns (while keeping true to their goal of providing a complete education in a world that includes these complications.) We don't have the full story of what happened.

I believe strongly that public schools should work very hard to meet the needs of all cultures within its community-- and from this story, in this case, the failed. Whether it was possible for them to succeed is another question.

But, as a parent reading this, these parents seem like idiots. We live in a multicultural world and like it or not their kids need to deal with it.

How will the kids ever learn to deal with reality if their parents refuse to?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 09:59 am
So do you think that when they're talking about families in kindergarten that they are really talking about the copulation habits of the parents?

I doubt sexuality and sexual habits even enter the picture.

Mo has two mommies: me and his bio mom. I'll be damned if he is made to hang his head in shame if he draws me, Mr. B and bio-mom as his family. We are all his family.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:02 am
Well, I have had parents specifically request their children be reomved from the classroom during "certain activities"--from plain old sex ed. to the watching of Harry Potter.
Some families "don't believe" in magic, just like some don't believe in homosexuality.
Fine. That is the way they want to raise their children, and educators who are worth their weight will respect that request, regardless of their personal or professional beliefs.

That being said, this Dad sounds a bit like an attention whore and seems to be pushing the envelope as far as he can. I'm getting the feeling that this man is not an innocent bystander. Being one of the most physically imposing teachers in my school, I have had to more or less physically remove a parent from the school because they refused to leave--which is my duty should they pose a threat to the students.
Glad to see he spent a night in jail, sad to see O'Reilly blowing his horn for him, but different strokes eh?

However, I'm not surprised that this "type" of individual prefers to shove his child's head in the sand right beside his. It's much much safer in there.

<the homos are coming the homos are coming>
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:03 am
So he got arrested for civil disobedience.... Where's the problem?

If you don't like what the school board is doing, then vote 'em out. That's democracy.

Plus, you can always home-school or private-school your kids.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:05 am
Why does this guy hate America, anyway?
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:12 am
DrewDad wrote:
Why does this guy hate America, anyway?


I think he's with the terrorists...'cause he sure ain't with us! :wink:
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:20 am
Our children are among the most ignorant in the free world and although I have no problem with them learning tolerance and understanding that there are diverse beliefs and lifestyles, I'd like to see them learn how to read, write, speak grammatically correct english and be able to identify the f**king vice president from a photograph before we teach them about homosexuality. It's a priority issue.

The ignorance our children display is abominable and our own fault.

I try to make sure my cubs aren't so ignorant, but it's an uphill battle.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:24 am
You know, bvt, I have to agree. Tolerance is a noble thing but it can really only be taught by example, not by pamphlets and workbooks.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:27 am
Sounds like ya'll are for No Child Left Behind, then.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:28 am
DrewDad wrote:
Sounds like ya'll are for No Child Left Behind, then.


No Child left behind is doublespeak and bullshit.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:34 am
No, I'm for taking all that money that we spend on testing the pants off of our kids and spending it on teachers and schools so that kids can get the individual attention they deserve. That's something that's been proven again and again to work and ironically it's the one thing that nobody seems to want to do.

Im also for eliminating social engineering programs and spending that time and money on teaching children a foreign language starting in elementary school. But I believe I'm in the minority.
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Mills75
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:25 am
candidone1 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Why does this guy hate America, anyway?


I think he's with the terrorists...'cause he sure ain't with us! :wink:

Well, his acts of dissent will likely comfort and embolden our enemies. :wink:
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Scorpia
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:35 am
I agree that there are very important things to learn. But from my own experience, I have to laugh when the old school (which I'm part of) talks about how dumb our kids are today. All the old school, long-hand math students can't figure out how to buy a combination ticket at a museum - it takes those stupid little kids to quickly show them how it's done. They have more common sense in their little fingers and can understand things quicker without using long-hand. They know how to relate to today's world - and the old timers really don't. So we don't compete with a third world country's math students. It doesn't mean that our kids will fail financially and emotionally in the world. "Intelligence" isn't the only measure of success, and I would rather my child be successful and happy than just being a rocket scientist. Our president is a fine example. As he said (and I can't remember his exact words), "A "C" student can be president." I'm not saying a good one, but I wouldn't say that an "A" student automatically makes a good president either.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:20 pm
My point about NCLB is that it ditches other types of learning (music, art, etc.) for language and math skills.

Personally, I think NCLB has been foisted on us by the test and textbook writers.

We're talking Kindergarden, here. I remember that being about social skills and museum visits more than math or English.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:28 pm
I would rather my child be a well-educated and knowledgable janitor than a dumb-ass ignorant president. And by well-educated, I'm talking about art and music and other studies that round out a complete education as well as the basics. But I think that programs like DARE are useless and take up time that kids need to focus on their studies. And kindergarten kids need to learn how to follow instructions and get along with their classmates, as well as the skill they will need for first grade. If one of the stories that are read to them happens to be about a family with two moms, great! But a special packet? A lesson plan? Come on.

Just so I'm clear, I think the objective is noble and I don't see any reason why young children should not be exposed to all kinds of people and families and I can appreciate what they're trying to do. I just think that after a while, all these noble objectives take up a lot of time in the classroom.
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