Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 09:53 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Myths can be wonderful an interesting but that what they are myths.


True. But besides those "stories" (which aren't myths, btw, perhaps with some [known] exaggeration, alright, but those are easily to detect) we have some handful of Auxiliary Sciences of History.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 10:47 am
@Setanta,
Y'know, the trouble with ole Bill isn't that he's ignorant. Lack of knowledge is not something shameful per se, and certainly should not be ridiculed. But Bill deserves ridicule because he not only flouts his stupidity, he actually revels in it and tries to convince others that it somehow represents superior knowledge, superior thinking. There's an old Ibo saying that comes to mind: "Not to know is bad; not to want to know is much worse."
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 10:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Oh Harry Turtledove have a novel out base on the biggest or one of the biggest defeats of Roman arms in the history of the Rome Empire by the name of "Give me back my Legions".

Had not started reading it so I do not know if he added naked warriors or not yet<grin>.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 10:55 am
@Merry Andrew,
Yes, I am sure that you are right and any myth written in the history of the human race should be taken at face value and this is surely true if it support our thinkings of how the real world should be.

No wonder con-men can make such a good living.

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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 11:10 am
@Merry Andrew,
In another thread in which he was clearly demonstrating that he doesn't know a goddamned thing about the age of sail, i referred to him as the very living avatar of invincible ignorance. Yes, you are correct, the shame is not that he's ignorant, but that he won't acknowledge it, or do anything about it. In the other thread he claimed that Royal Navy crews were well-trained (rarely true) and that American crews were not (bullshit), and that American ships were smaller. Of course, class for class, in the era of the War of 1812, American ships were heavier and threw a heavier weight of metal. When i pointed this out to him, and recommended that he read The Naval War of 1812, Theodore Roosevelt, Jr., New York, 1881, i didn't hear from him any longer on that subject. I told him that he obviously just makes this **** up as he goes along.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 11:15 am
http://uoncc.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/russiansoldier.jpg

The Ukranian woman posed in this publicity photo, Lyudmila Pavlichenko, was the most highly decorated sniper in the Soviet armies, with more than 300 confirmed kills. She was taken out of the line and used for propaganda tours, during one of which she visited the United States. She met FDR at the White House, becoming the first Soviet citizen to visit the White House.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3255/3212865234_e51278b058.jpg

Many Soviet women fought behind the German lines as partisans. (This is an obviously posed publicity photo.)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/Vincent2/Forums/devushki/chast2/9.jpg

Another Soviet partisan.

http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/images/swp_01_500.jpg . . . http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/images/swp_marina_raskova_350.jpg

Marina Raskova, Hero of the Soviet Union, one of the world's earliest first class aviators, used her influence with the Soviet government to convince Stalin to found a women's aviation regiment--the 588th Night Bomber regiment, which became the most decorated aviation regiment in the Soviet Union, male or female. The entire regiment was female, mechanics and flight crew, and of course, the support personnel.

http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/images/ryabova_popova_TL_350.jpg

The 588th was stationed north of Stalingrad, and quickly came to terrorize the Germans, who called them "the Night Witches." They could, of course, fly more sorties during the long nights of the Russian winters, and the flight officers shown above--Katya Ryabova and Nadya Popova--set a record with 18 sorties in a single night.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Lydia_Litvyak.JPG/180px-Lydia_Litvyak.JPG . . . http://ona.blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/_1d6/ona/Lydia20Litvyak.jpg

Lydia Litvyak served in the 586th Fighter Aviation Regiment, another of the three all-female aviation regiments, and was an ace with more than ten kills. She was known as the White Rose of Stalingrad.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3639/3370428271_1c71252f86.jpg

Raya Surnachevskaya, Hero of the Soviet Union, was a fighter ace, who commanded a squadron in the 586 Fighter Aviation Regiment.

http://01varvara.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/captain-maria-smirnova-of-the-night-witches.jpg

Captain Maria Smirnova, Hero of the Soviet Union, was one of the "Night Witches," the most highly decorated pilot in the unit, which was re-designated the 46th Guards Aviation Regiment. The Guards designation was the highest unit commendation in the Soviet armed forces.

http://nataliaantonova.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/soviet-women-at-war.jpg

More women of the "Night Witches."

http://wio.ru/galgrnd/sniper/shanina.jpg

Rosa Shanina was another deadly Soviet sniper, with more than 100 kills (confirmed kills were difficult to prove, and most snipers undoubtedly had far more kills than the confirmed number).

http://www.battlefield-site.co.uk/yelizaveta_mironova.jpg

Yelizaveta Mironova (pictured here in a publicity still) was a sniper in the Soviet Marines.

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/52675181.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=4996399091E8318639986C8E3AFDE624E7C3DB1D2EA1C136

G.I.s were startled to find Russian women at the front lines when the American and Soviet armies met at the river Elbe. This publicity still shows American war correspondents with Russians soldiers in Torgau, Germany.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/buda-coc.jpg

Katya Budanova was another Soviet fighter ace. Both Budanova and Litvyak were killed in action.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/meklin_01_350.jpg . . . http://www.bestrussiantour.com/files/imagecache/tour_image_full/image/tour_image/po_2_2.jpg

Natalya Meklin flew 982 combat sorties with the "Nachthexen," the Night Witches as the Germans dubbed them. The women flew the U-2/Po-2 biplane, an old, slow 1928 model. They developed a technique of feathering the prop, and then shutting down the engine to glide down to their bomb run altitude, starting up the engine again as they made their bomb run--which accounts for the terror they inspired in the German infantry, who didn't hear them coming until it was too late.

Soviet female aviators were awarded Hero of the Soviet Union, the highest military honor, on 29 occasions. Twenty-three of these went to the Night Witches.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/Vincent2/Forums/devushki/chast1/8.jpg

More than 800,000 Soviet women served during the Great Patriotic War. Although most of them served in support roles, to free men for the front, more than 150,000 served in combat. A great many served as drivers of armored fighting vehicles, because they fit more comfortably into the driver's compartment, and it did not require great physical strength. The woman pictured above, Alexandra Samusenko, rose to command an armored battalion. She was killed in combat in 1945, just before the end of the war.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 11:26 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
"Give me back my Legions".


We've celebrated in three museums the 2000th anniversary of the 'Varus battle' this year.
You would have laughed yourself to death when you'd looked at the exhibits.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 11:31 am
@BillRM,
Wonderful . . . again the "expert" displays his ignorance. The battle of the Teutoburg Forest was not even close to kind of defeats which, for example, Hannibal inflicted on the Romans. It certainly was a disaster, though. The "give me back my legions" is a reference to a claim which another modern author, Robert Graves, made to the effect that Augustus would wander the palace at night yelling out "Varus . . . give me back my legions!" (Publius Quinctilius Varus commanded the three legions which were destroyed.)

The debacle of the Teutoberg Forest was an attack on Varus' legions by German tribesmen, who very likely did not enter battle naked. No one here has claimed they did.

Idiot.

Clown.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 11:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Cool Walter . . . i hadn't though about the 2000th anniversary.

Are you saying that some German tribesmen did go into battle naked? If so, that would be news to me.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 11:42 am
@Setanta,
No, I don't think that they did - at that time, at least.
Half-naked, certainly. (And horsemen didn't wear "trousers", sometimes, at least.)
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Sglass
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 12:11 pm
Those are great pictures of the Soviet ladies. Guess they didn't have the victorian indices that kept women in the kitchen. Victoria was hardly a Warrior Queen. Even piano legs were covered.
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Sglass
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 12:55 pm
@Ionus,
Ouch Ionus I is a broad.

And Set, I do believe the numbers Tacitus and Dio Cassius threw out are highly unlikely. And as for Queen B's army, you must remember that when the Iceni went to war it was a clan affair. The whole entire clan went, men, women, children, the elderly along with their wagons, their domesticated animals and whatever loot they gathered along the way. They made sitting ducks out of theirselves, giving the Roman the tactical advantage.

panzade
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 12:57 pm
@Setanta,
Fascinating post set
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 01:37 pm
@Setanta,
Howcum none of them there Russky broads is nekkid?
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 01:48 pm
@Setanta,
kind of defeats which, for example, Hannibal inflicted on the Romans.
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Yes, it was no big deal in your viewpoint fool and Hannibal happen in the Republic period not during the Empire period if I am not in error one more<grin>.

Too bad you did not see that I had limit my comments to the Empire period in my posting.

Oh, three legions lost out of 30 legions at the time was not one of the worst defeats of Roman arms during the Empire period?

That it did stop the Empire expansion plans into that area of Europe cold also and was a real blow to their pride as well.

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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 01:52 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Merry Andrew wrote:

Howcum none of them there Russky broads is nekkid?


At least it's a start. Many of us have been waiting to see photos on this thread.
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 02:03 pm
@Merry Andrew,
To respond to a shared wish, here's for you guys:

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gismonda/WarQueen.gif
Francis
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 02:07 pm
BillRM wrote:
That it did stop the Empire expansion plans into that area of Europe


Which area?
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 02:19 pm
@Francis,
Which area?
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As there seem to be so many experts here even if they do not know when the Roman Empire was born I should allow one of then to reply however think of the Rhine river.

Oh thank for the Picture!!!!!!!!!!!
Sglass
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 02:23 pm
@Francis,
How about something for the girls? No handsome Celt guys?
 

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