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John Allen Muhammed Executed in VA at 9:22 pm

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 05:19 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

David, you will be comforted I am sure with your disagreement with me here
http://able2know.org/topic/138239-1#post-3812937
Your link is interesting, Hawkeye.
I am not certain to which
of several possible different points
u have drawn my attention.

I will comment:
In my opinion, the store was not negligent;
i.e., its conduct last year did not fall below
that of a man of average, ordinary prudence.

It is a fine idea to keep the store open around the clock.
Thay shoud have adequate armed guards.

I look askance at what a socialist has in mind when he speaks
of "justice" not having forgotten the aggressive opinions
of some national socialists, and international socialists
that caused too much trouble already in the 1900s;
I am aversive to any collectivists, including the Fabians.

We do indeed disagree qua enjoying consumption being robustly American.
I am hedonisticly all for it.

It is a fact that we have never had a democracy here,
except that in Colonial Days, before the USA,
there were some town hall meetings all of whose decisions n laws
were decided by votes of attenders.

We shoud consider all of our budgets that way,
with the taxpayers voting on each proposal with a cost estimate
attached and an estimate of expense to him (the voter) individually,
thereby in the words of Robert Heinlein:
" to keep government weak, starved and inoffensive. "

My remark is devoted to strangling the domestic operations of government.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 05:29 am

Robert Heinlein The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress
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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 05:48 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Yeah, but your crude and rude response was offensive to anyone who saw it. You merited what I wrote - which, unlike your rebuke, didn't involve any of the aggressive, offensive language you stooped to..


poor baby, did the bad man use some bad words
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 08:02 am
@djjd62,
Did that - however briefly - make you feel witty, stronger or more intelligent ?
Mame
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 08:25 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
I can trust, but only when it's deserved


in other words you don't trust. You (or me or any person) don't have the time, brain power, access to facts nor perception to judge the worth of each individual. You either trust your fellow man on principle or you don't. You don't, which if many people did as you would make human cooperation and thus civilization impossible. There is no hope for our future with your outlook. It does not matter how just it seems to you, how sound your position is logically in your mind, it is a dead end. The collective is counting on your ability to see this, to steer clear of the trap of your confidence in yourself linked to your lack of confidence in the rest of us.


Nonsense. You sound rather dire. I don't trust or believe anybody until I see a reason why I should. Therefore, I can and do trust. I don't need to judge and/or trust each individual, only the ones I'm interested in/care about. Somebody else can and will judge and trust those I'm not interested in, thereby making human cooperation and thus civilization possible. I fail to see how my lack of trust in someone, say a politician, will affect any action or thought that person will have and how it will adversely affect civilization.
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 08:42 am
@georgeob1,
no, why do you ask
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 09:12 am
@OCCOM BILL,
OCCOM BILL wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
What sort of evidence would convince you that the death penalty has no deterrent effect?
That would be a tall order, Joe.

Indeed it would. That's why I asked.

OCCOM BILL wrote:
I got a speeding ticket yesterday. Today I drove slower. Surprised, with my recent about face, that this is what you'd comment on.

Your recent about-face doesn't really impress me. You're not opposed to the death penalty on moral grounds, you just think it isn't administered very well. That's like saying that, while you favor the state killing people, you'd prefer they were killed in a much more fair and efficient manner. I'm sure that, if someone were to propose a better system for killing prisoners, you wouldn't hesitate in about-facing once again.
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 09:37 am
@joefromchicago,
True enough. Accurate and efficient? You bet your ass. John Allen Muhammed's continued existence would present a threat to those around him while serving no purpose whatsoever.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 12:28 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
OCCOM BILL wrote:

True enough. Accurate and efficient? You bet your ass.

I refuse to bet any of my body parts, largely as a result of reading this story.

OCCOM BILL wrote:
John Allen Muhammed's continued existence would present a threat to those around him while serving no purpose whatsoever.

He posed a threat to the other prisoners on death row?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 12:56 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
Yeah, but your crude and rude response was offensive to anyone who saw it. You merited what I wrote - which, unlike your rebuke, didn't involve any of the aggressive, offensive language you stooped to..


poor baby, did the bad man use some bad words


Like in football, the retaliator generally gets tagged.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 04:02 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Three years ago, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonio Scalia wrote:

"(there has not been) a single case - not one - in which it is clear that a person was executed for a crime he did not commit. If such an event had occurred in recent years, we would not have to hunt for it; the innocent's name would be shouted from the rooftops."


Quote:
Many appointments are politically-based, and much corruption takes place within the political arena. The judge could be stupid, or irrational, or racist, or able to be bought off, or any number of other 'un-judge-like' things. So, someone being appointed a judge doesn't mean dick.


In this particular case, it means that he is a dick.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 04:09 pm
@joefromchicago,
There had been at least one case where death row inmates had escape if memory serve me correctly.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 04:55 pm
@BillRM,
That's an argument for building better prisons, not for killing the prisoners locked up in them.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 04:58 pm
@joefromchicago,
That's an argument for building better prisons, not for killing the prisoners locked up in them.
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Sorry I do not agree as alive no matter what they are a danger to some degree and there is no moral or logical reason to keep such killers alive in my opinion.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 05:04 pm
@BillRM,
Your persuasive use of evidence and your unassailable logic have compelled me to reevaluate my long-held position on this matter.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 05:40 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
there is no moral or logical reason


You have no business speaking to issues of morality or logic, Bill as you are clearly bereft of both.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 05:44 pm
@JTT,
You have no business speaking to issues of morality or logic, Bill as you are clearly bereft of both.
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LOL I had one hell of a great fan club starting here.

Love it...............
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 06:46 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
I can trust, but only when it's deserved


in other words you don't trust. You (or me or any person) don't have the time, brain power, access to facts nor perception to judge the worth of each individual. You either trust your fellow man on principle or you don't. You don't, which if many people did as you would make human cooperation and thus civilization impossible. There is no hope for our future with your outlook. It does not matter how just it seems to you, how sound your position is logically in your mind, it is a dead end. The collective is counting on your ability to see this, to steer clear of the trap of your confidence in yourself linked to your lack of confidence in the rest of us.


Nonsense. You sound rather dire.
I don't trust or believe anybody until I see a reason why I should. . . .
I fail to see how my lack of trust in someone, say a politician,
will affect any action or thought that person will have and how it will adversely affect civilization.
WELL SAID, MAME!!!
SO STIPULATED !






David
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 07:00 pm
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

True enough. Accurate and efficient? You bet your ass.

I refuse to bet any of my body parts, largely as a result of reading this story.

OCCOM BILL wrote:
John Allen Muhammed's continued existence would present a threat to those around him while serving no purpose whatsoever.

He posed a threat to the other prisoners on death row?
We've been here too many times, Joe. This is where I list examples of murderers sentenced to life who've killed again, and you respond with some useless nonsense like, "that's an argument for a better system" or some such thing. Meanwhile, I know of no case where an executed murder ever killed again.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2009 07:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
Mame wrote:
I can trust, but only when it's deserved

hawkeye10 wrote:
in other words you don't trust.
When I was 11, I learned not to trust anyone with more than I am willing to lose.
I have since reminded myself against trusting; let the socialists trust.






hawkeye10 wrote:
You (or me or any person) don't have the time, brain power,
access to facts nor perception to judge the worth of each individual.
You either trust your fellow man on principle or you don't.
On principle: I don 't. Those who DO,
will get burned, and hopefully LEARN from that experience.
One of the most valuable accounts in the Bible is that concerning
Samson n Deliah: the moral of the story is: DO NOT TRUST PEOPLE.





hawkeye10 wrote:
You don't, which if many people did as you would make human cooperation
and thus civilization impossible. There is no hope for our future with your outlook.
I will be as anti-collectivist as reasonably possible. I aspire to all socialists giving up hope.






hawkeye10 wrote:
It does not matter how just it seems to you,
how sound your position is logically in your mind, it is a dead end.
Hopefully, a dead end for socialism.








hawkeye10 wrote:
The collective is counting on your ability to see this,
to steer clear of the trap of your confidence in yourself
linked to your lack of confidence in the rest of us.
Let us try ever to avoid missing an opportunity to defeat n frustrate collectivism.





David
 

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