Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@oralloy,

Great.
Now comes the question for today:
How can police and the various communities work together to bring peace to all neighborhoods. My suggestion is to allow the police officer to be in control of the situation. That will solve 99 percent of the situations.
What do we do about the other 1 percent of the time? Ollie, perhaps we do not have a full understanding. I think that we should have a dialog and listen to the concerns of blacks.
On a slightly different point, the Virus badly hurt small businesses. Small business is the major way for blacks to succeed. It seems as if the relief plan did not help small businesses enough. Also, we need to find ways to help blacks "climb the corporate ladder" easier.
We need to work together so that all people have the opportunity to succeed.

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@oralloy,

You are smart enough to know what the result will be if you look for definitions. You are even smart enough to know what the result will be if you argue whether or not a specific action (from the plethora of vaguely evil actions) is evil.

This is the same avoidance you practice each and every time you are asked to back up your words with examples (see below)....for here, you know that it will turn up different defintions, so you avoid posting them.

Just like when you were asked to show a single place where you have supported a black person involved in a conflict with a white person (you can't, but you claim you wont)

Just like you were asked to show where you have given credence to the perspective of a black person involved in a conflict with a white person (you can't, but you claim you won't).

It all stems from the same nonsense - you avoid anything that disagrees with what you want to believe, then claim you are avoiding it by choice (it is by choice, but the reason is so you never have to admit the truth to yourself)

You claim you deal with reality, then show you don't through avoidance.

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@oralloy,

In the general sense you are correct. Basically, it means the "lack of good".
Specifically, you are incorrect. People have very different ideas about personal morality and social morality.
Some disagreements are "what is a human"?, what is the truth about God?, to whom am I responsible?

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@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

Likewise, questions that need to be asked MJ include:
(1) Will you admit there are blacks who are racists
(2) Will you admit that life is not easy for white people either.

For everyone:
Are you willing to work together with people of all perspectives to help each other?

I do not see a response to these basic questions.

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@NealNealNeal,

they aren't basic questions. They're "duh" questions, which are irrelevant to the real problem, which is that america has been racist for 400 years. It's not as murderous, (usually), as it was in the past, but it's still there and it should not be, by all our ideals. S0 the real basic question is, what do we do about it. And there are posters on a2k who will do anything the can to deny it or the need to do something about it.. They know who they are, and so do we.

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@MontereyJack,

The problem lies primarily with you. You do what you unfairly accuse Ollie of doing.
If you are black, you use pretend you are a "victim". If you are white, you are suffering from "false guilt".
Many successful black people complain that liberals "put them in a playpen". A playpen protects babies. However, it also restricts progress for a child who no longer needs the restrictions of a playpen. Are you a 19 year old who needs our "nanny state" to keep you in your "playpen"?
Ollie is not at fault.

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@NealNealNeal,

George floyd, ahmad arberry, breona taylor, chris cooper. ypou and oralloyand oralloy are both denying reality and peddling nonsense. Driving while black, studying while black, barbecuing while black, collecting nominating petition signatures while black, shopping while black. Don't ignore reality. do something about it. that's why millions of americans demonstrated lasr year, and one of the many reasons trump is no longer president.

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@NealNealNeal,

I live in Australia. I ran into an African American man who had emmigrated here. He was well spoken / mannered / dressed. I asked him why he decided to move to Australia. He said he felt safe from the police here. It says a lot of the situation in the US that a well spoken well dressed black man would move here for such a reason.

Admittedly it is the smallest of sample sizes, as he is the only African American I've spoken to here - moving to Australia is very rare for them.

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@MontereyJack,

I hear you MJ. I am not ignoring your points.
I also have an idea about what blacks experience. It is interesting to note that it was a white officer who unfairly put me in handcuffs. Years ago I was circulating a petition that would have a mildly adverse financial effect on civil servants including police officers. Since he would be impacted by the petition, he put me in handcuffs to intimidate me. His partner told him to "knock it off" and I continued asking people to sign my petition.
I have been assaulted by black men (every time with knives), skin heads (sucker punches), unfairly ticketed by a black policeman with an attitude, and others.
You may (rightly) say that I still had someone to appeal to while blacks do not.
You are not in the position of Jackie Robinson, who really got a boost from Pee Wee Reese. Jackie must have been an amazing man. Yet, there still are injustices to black people today. Hopefully, we can all work together to fix these injustices peacefully.
Vikorr is correct when he talks about "perspective". I was fortunate enough to have a much beloved black mayor when I was young. Please, let's take the perspectives of other people in mind when we deal with society.

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@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

perhaps we do not have a full understanding. I think that we should have a dialog and listen to the concerns of blacks.

NealNealNeal wrote:

We need to work together so that all people have the opportunity to succeed.

I'm way past caring about dialogue with these anti-white racists at this point. If they try to murder people, they'll be killed in self defense.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

You are smart enough to know what the result will be if you look for definitions.

Actually I didn't waste any energy even thinking about it.

But since you mention it, it does seem possible that this is one of those definitions that are extremely difficult to put into words.

vikorr wrote:

You are even smart enough to know what the result will be if you argue whether or not a specific action (from the plethora of vaguely evil actions) is evil.

I think I could handle such questions satisfactorily.

vikorr wrote:

This is the same avoidance you practice each and every time you are asked to back up your words with examples

No such avoidance.

I am almost never asked to back up my words. But on the rare occasion that it happens, I do provide cites.

vikorr wrote:

(see below)

Those are not requests for me to back up my words.

Those are cases where you proclaimed me guilty of racism and then invited me to try to prove myself innocent.

vikorr wrote:

....for here, you know that it will turn up different defintions, so you avoid posting them.

I recognize that people will always word their definitions differently. I do not see this variance of wording as a problem.

vikorr wrote:

You claim you deal with reality, then show you don't through avoidance.

Wrong. There is nothing real about your slander against me.

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@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

In the general sense you are correct. Basically, it means the "lack of good".
Specifically, you are incorrect. People have very different ideas about personal morality and social morality.
Some disagreements are "what is a human"?, what is the truth about God?, to whom am I responsible?

Different religions may have different concepts of God. But I think that basic concepts of right and wrong are pretty much the same.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

they aren't basic questions. They're "duh" questions, which are irrelevant to the real problem, which is that america has been racist for 400 years. It's not as murderous, (usually), as it was in the past, but it's still there and it should not be, by all our ideals. S0 the real basic question is, what do we do about it. And there are posters on a2k who will do anything the can to deny it or the need to do something about it.. They know who they are, and so do we.

What do you propose be done about this supposed "racism"?

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

George floyd,

Nothing to do with BLM, who focus instead on trying to lynch police officers who justifiably defend themselves.

MontereyJack wrote:

ahmad arberry,

People have the right to protect themselves when they feel threatened.

MontereyJack wrote:

breona taylor,

It is racist of you to focus only on black people who are harmed this way, and ignore the cases where white people are harmed this way.

MontereyJack wrote:

chris cooper.

People have the right to protect themselves when they feel threatened.

MontereyJack wrote:

you and oralloy are both denying reality and peddling nonsense.

You cannot point out a single untrue statement in our posts.

MontereyJack wrote:

Driving while black, studying while black, barbecuing while black, collecting nominating petition signatures while black, shopping while black.

It is racist of you to focus only on black people who are harmed this way, and ignore the cases where white people are harmed this way.

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@oralloy,

Hey, Neal, you reading this? Notice where oralloy goes. Has ,mind set immediately is "blacks are intent on murdering whites"and in his mind that baseless malign fantasy justifies his "three s's": Shoot them, Shokvel them six feet deep, and Shut up about it. Doesn't matter at all to him that therenevder was any threat, that it's all in your mind, you're still justified in killing the black person if the white person doesn't like them. And he refuses to face the obvious, that that's viiolently racist. Chris Cooper was as he says merely trying to put r unleashed dog on a leash, as the lkaw required, so he could bird watch in an area reserved for birdwatching, and oralloy immediately interprets iy as an attempt to lure her dog away from her and threaten her. Both of which were wrong and racist, and he thinks if she had a gun she should have killed him for his harmless intent. It'ass his projection that's the racist problem here. He haS NO INTEREST IN YOUR PLEAS FOR MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING. iT'S ONLYHIS OWN BIASES THAT HE WILL BELIEVE, NO MATTER WHAT. sorry the damned capslock key got hit.

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@MontereyJack,

Wrong. That thug bragged on his Facebook page about how he threatened her and then tried to lure her pet away from her.

And you yourself recently posted a news article where the thug bragged about it again.

But you did get one thing right about what I say. I do say that when people feel threatened, they have the right to protect themselves.

It doesn't matter whether the threat is real or not. People are not mind readers, and it is unreasonable to expect them to know what someone's intent is.

The only racists here are you and Vikorr. Your racism against white people is appalling.

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@oralloy,

false. you repeat, endlessly, your faulty claim BLM wants to kill police when what they want is for police to strop killing them. You cannot logically derive one from the other.

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@MontereyJack,

There is nothing faulty about my claims.

What BLM demand is for police to stop killing black people in self defense, when those black people try to murder police officers.

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@oralloy,

Nonsense. He said he wanted her to leash the dog so he could birdwatch andshe wouldn't so hetried to leassh it. No threats. that's only in your own mind and it's racist,

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@MontereyJack,

That thug bragged on his Facebook page about how he threatened her and then tried to lure her pet away from her.

And you recently posted a newspaper article where he bragged about it all again.

The only racists here are you and Vikorr.

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