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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2025 05:14 am
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US firearms examiners declared ‘essential’ shutdown workers after gun-lobby pressure
Americans able to buy deadly ‘gangster weapons’ again as lobbying forces key concession from Trump officials

US citizens are free once more to buy some of the country’s most deadly firearms and gun accessories, after relentless lobbying by the gun industry and Republican politicians forced a concession from the Trump administration under the federal government shutdown.

As of this week, gun owners will be able to restart purchases of some of the most highly regulated weapons in the US, with the return to work of federal employees responsible for regulating the items now reclassified as “essential”. They include silencers, short-barreled rifles and vintage machine-guns produced before 1986.

Sales of those items had ground to a halt under the shutdown after federal examiners charged with regulating the purchases were furloughed. The examiners formed part of the NFA division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

The weapons have long been recognized as posing an outsized risk to public safety, ever since the National Firearms Act under which they are regulated was passed in 1934. Commonly known as “gangster weapons”, the firearms have proliferated in recent years and are now among the bestsellers in the gun market.

The temporary block of sales of these heavily controlled firearms provoked a fierce backlash from industry groups and members of Congress. While sales of semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and handguns have proceeded untouched by the government shutdown, and background checks have proceeded as normal, lobbyists argued that the impediment to sales of silencers, pre-1986 machine guns and short-barreled rifles was a violation of Americans’ second amendment rights.

“Your second amendment rights are not suspended because of Congress’s inability to pass legislation,” said Larry Keane, the general counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the gun industry’s trade group.

“We were hearing from our members about the impact,” he added. “Companies that sell suppressors were effectively shut down.”

On 16 October, the firearm industry trade association, the NSSF, wrote to the US attorney general, Pam Bondi, protesting that “a right delayed is a right denied”. It called for the immediate resumption of sales of what it called “safety-enhancing devices already widely accepted and responsibly used through the country”.

A day later, 30 Republican Congress members lobbied the acting director of the ATF, Daniel Driscoll. They said that the block on acquiring the firearms infringed upon “Americans’ ability to protect themselves, their loved ones, and their property”.

The Trump administration has bowed to such concerted pressure, allowing the firearms examiners to return to their desks on Monday. The concession means that sales of the silencers, short-barreled weapons and older machine guns will be allowed to restart, even while other critical public services continue to be ensnared by the shutdown.

Mothballed services include the approval of new medical drugs and the processing of small business loans. Even some federal employees who oversee the US nuclear stockpile remain on furlough.

“While the shutdown has paralyzed the work of federal agencies that actually protect American lives, the Trump administration has deemed processing applications for firearms and accessories that threaten public safety an essential activity,” Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center, told the Guardian.

The gun rights organization, Gun Owners of America, hailed the decision to allow sales of the deadly weapons to resume as an “historic win for gun owners against years of ATF tyranny”.

Other elements of the gun industry will continue to be affected by the shutdown. Applications for permits and licenses that would allow for international gun dealing and the classification of new products firearm and accessory makers want to bring to market are still not being processed.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/22/sales-weapons-resume-amid-shutdown
Investigator
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2025 03:40 pm
@msolga,
You're describing mental health issues. You could just as easily have reported the tens and hundreds of millions of guns that weren't involved in an incident. The root cause is not a gun.
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2025 05:37 am
@Investigator,
Olga left A2K more than 10 years ago. Not much of an investigator are you?

The root cause isn't a gun, but the availability of guns makes the outcome much worse.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2025 06:06 am
@Investigator,
Rubbish.

Thew mental health problem affects people like you who support America's obscene gun laws in the full knowledge that they butcher children.

We protect our children from 2nd amendment creeps.

A child's life is more important that some pathetic loser's need to feel important by strutting round with a gun.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 01:58 pm
@izzythepush,
The mental health issue really is complete bollocks.

Most shooters are perfectly sane.

It's a societal issue, guns are seen as a way of solving problems, gaining notoriety, being remembered.

The Columbine shooters have been researched and referenced by so many that followed.

Thi9s is not mental health, it's about having a short fuse.

That's the case everywhere, but it's such a problem in America because of the ridiculous gun laws.

Over here people with a short fuse end up in front of the magistrate for thumping someone.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 02:08 pm
@Investigator,
For your information, my mum died over ten years ago.

And your comments about people who live in basements, (it's an American thing, we have cellars,) is pretty tasteless considering today's news.

Quote:
Flash flooding in NYC leaves 2 dead

NEW YORK CITY (WABC) -- Authorities have identified the two men who died in flooded basements in New York City on Thursday afternoon.

So much rain fell in such a short period that streets became flooded, pouring into buildings and overwhelming some subway stations.

Aaron Akaberi, 39, went back into his basement apartment in Brooklyn to try to save a dog, police said. He had rescued one dog when he went back to save the other. He never made it out of the Kingston Avenue apartment.

FDNY divers pulled out his body, and he was pronounced dead at Kings County Hospital. The second dog also died.

"He was just a very pure, simple person," a friend of the victim said. "Didn't really need much at all. He was a giver, he wasn't a taker."

Around the same time in Washington Heights, officers found Juan Carlos, 43, inside a flooded basement boiler room. He appeared to have been attempting to use a pump to flood out the basement when he was electrocuted, police said.

The effects of rainstorms have become progressively catastrophic for New York City residents.

The city responded to more than 800 calls to 311 for flooding on Thursday. Work continued on Friday cleaning out drains.

The sewer system was built for a maximum 1.75 inches of rain an hour, New York City Environmental Protection office said. Thursday's storm brought the equivalent of 6 inches an hour in some areas.

The city has been messaging residents of basement apartments about the dangers of flash flooding in the years since the remnants of Hurricane Ida killed 13 people in New York City, including 11 who drowned in basement homes, in September 2021.



https://abc7ny.com/post/nyc-flooding-2-men-died-flooded-basements-manhattan-brooklyn/18095436/
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Investigator
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 02:28 pm
@izzythepush,
And this is an issue why?
Investigator
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 02:31 pm
@hingehead,
I have read numerous incident reports of how having a gun has spared someone's life while being attacked or robbed. You want to take guns away from those who need protection?
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Investigator
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 02:33 pm
@hingehead,
I haven't investigated the case, but I'm pretty certain the gun didn't do the killing if this is what you are inferring, the person with the mental health issues did.
Investigator
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 02:34 pm
@izzythepush,
My family has raised their family with weapon use and many with defense against weapons. The guns have never turned on their owners and they know how to protect themselves.
Investigator
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 02:37 pm
@izzythepush,
So in your opinion the Columbine shooter had no mental health issues. Do you have the qualification and expertise to come to that c0nclusion, and if so, can you share it?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 03:32 pm
@Investigator,
You first.

List the shooters who have been certified insane.

Yours is the only country with mass shootings.

Only an idiot would argue otherwise.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 03:33 pm
@Investigator,
Only a matter of time.

A child's life is worth more than your pathetic need to feel important.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 03:35 pm
@Investigator,
It may be hard for you to understand, but we think school shootings are a bad thing.
Investigator
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 04:01 pm
@izzythepush,
We agree on something. You say the fix is to take away guns from everyone. I say the dude had mental issues and that is the root cause of that terrible incident.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 05:44 pm
@Investigator,
Which is why you have so, so many mass shootings.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 05:47 pm
@Investigator,
You are collossally stupid. Mental illness is widespread throughout society - you can't ban it, most affected cause no one harm. *IF* someone snaps due to any range of factors and wishes to act out against themselves or others, which method requires the least preparation and forethought and causes the most destruction?

I'll wait while you do the math.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2025 05:48 pm
@Investigator,
My fix is to stay away from the USA.

It's not worth the risk.

Exorbitant health costs coupled with insane gun and stand your ground laws meaning you can be gunned down at any time for no reason, are all too much hassle.
Investigator
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2025 07:08 am
@izzythepush,
The math is pretty easy. There are millions of guns in the USA and only a very small portion of those guns are used in crimes. Every crime committed by a person using a gun is a person who has mental health issues. Time for you to do the math. Is it the guns or mental health issue? It's people like you that don't address the root cause of a problem so it never gets fixed. I'm sure the country you are living is called Utopia with no crime nor murder.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2025 07:32 am
@Investigator,
Investigator wrote:
There are millions of guns in the USA and only a very small portion of those guns are used in crimes.
Source please.

Investigator wrote:
Every crime committed by a person using a gun is a person who has mental health issues.
Your source for this as well, please, broken down by ICD-10-CM code. (No amateurish psychiatric remote diagnosis.)


As an 'investigator' you'll certainly have those asked for data at hand.
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