57
   

Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 06:50 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
I live in Australia. I ran into an African American man who had emmigrated here. He was well spoken / mannered / dressed. I asked him why he decided to move to Australia. He said he felt safe from the police here. It says a lot of the situation in the US that a well spoken well dressed black man would move here for such a reason.
Admittedly it is the smallest of sample sizes, as he is the only African American I've spoken to here - moving to Australia is very rare for them.

I think Australia would be almost as bad as the US.

If I had dark skin I'd leave the US and emigrate to France.
vikorr
 
  2  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 08:12 pm
@oralloy,
You obviously know almost nothing about Australia.
vikorr
 
  2  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 08:20 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Those are cases where you proclaimed me guilty of racism and then invited me to try to prove myself innocent.
Absolutetly -just like you called me a liar, and asked me to quote where you had said 'it is a fact that progressives are evil'.... and I then quoted you.

The hypocrisy you engage in asking others to back their words up when you won't is again the same reason you've avoided what you've been asked to provide...you can't, so you pretend you are not doing so of your own choice...with the motivation being you you don't have to acknowledge the truth to yourself. On these forums, when it comes to conflict between a black person and a white person - you have never supported a black person involved in conflict with a white person (while supporting the white person every single time), you dismiss any context that supports black people (while supporting the white persons context every single time), you take to extremes your interpretation against black people (while minimising anything wrong the white person has done). Each of these is evidenced. Nor can you show otherwise on these forums, and in this area you are extremely racist.
vikorr
 
  3  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 08:35 pm
@oralloy,
One of the strange things about your posts is they fail tests of justice:

Reasonableness: is the given reason reasonable? If not is not reasonable, it is not a valid reason for the action.

Proportionality: Eg. I shove you, so you shoot me, is not proportionate, and not reasonably justified.

Both of these tests you bias so heavily in favour the white person in each of your discussions that what is reasonable is no longer recognisable in your writings, and proportionality doesn't exist in your writings. It's not the only issue you have - where something can't truly be known, you draw a conclusion and don't admit to any other possibility...always in favour of the white person.

However, I don't expect that you will admit to your racism. That you are, has been thoroughly exhibited by you, but we can justify anything to ourselves until we are black and blue in the face. If we truly want to believe something, others will never convince us otherwise.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 09:06 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
You obviously know almost nothing about Australia.

Why don't you explain to everyone how wonderfully Australia treats their aboriginal population.

Sorry, but if I had dark skin, Australia is not the place that I'd go to if I wanted to be treated like a human being.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 09:07 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
Absolutetly -just like you called me a liar, and asked me to quote where you had said 'it is a fact that progressives are evil'.... and I then quoted you.

I called you a liar because you accused me of saying something without backing it up with an actual example of me saying it.

Once you backed it up with an actual example of me saying it, I stopped calling you a liar (in that context) and addressed what I had said.


vikorr wrote:
The hypocrisy you engage in asking others to back their words up when you won't

No such hypocrisy. I am always willing to support my claims with cites.


vikorr wrote:
the same reason you've avoided what you've been asked to provide...you can't, so you pretend you are not doing so of your own choice...with the motivation being you you don't have to acknowledge the truth to yourself.

There is nothing even remotely true about your lies and slander.


vikorr wrote:
On these forums, when it comes to conflict between a black person and a white person - you have never supported a black person involved in conflict with a white person (while supporting the white person every single time), you dismiss any context that supports black people (while supporting the white persons context every single time), you take to extremes your interpretation against black people (while minimising anything wrong the white person has done).

All I do is follow truth and justice. That you refuse to accept it when facts show that a white person is in the right is your racism not mine.


vikorr wrote:
Each of these is evidenced. Nor can you show otherwise on these forums, and in this area you are extremely racist.

Wrong. The only racists here are you and MJ. And shame on you both for your anti-white racism.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 09:10 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
One of the strange things about your posts is they fail tests of justice:

It's just the opposite. I'm arguing for justice.


vikorr wrote:
Reasonableness: is the given reason reasonable? If not is not reasonable, it is not a valid reason for the action.

It is reasonable for people to protect themselves when they feel threatened.


vikorr wrote:
Proportionality: Eg. I shove you, so you shoot me, is not proportionate, and not reasonably justified.

If someone fears for the safety of themselves or their pet, shooting the threat is entirely proportionate.


vikorr wrote:
Both of these tests you bias so heavily in favour the white person in each of your discussions that what is reasonable is no longer recognisable in your writings, and proportionality doesn't exist in your writings.

No bias on my end. Your failure to recognize reasonableness or proportionality in my posts is due to your anti-white racism.


vikorr wrote:
It's not the only issue you have - where something can't truly be known, you draw a conclusion and don't admit to any other possibility...always in favour of the white person.

That is incorrect. All of my conclusions are backed by factual evidence.


vikorr wrote:
However, I don't expect that you will admit to your racism. That you are, has been thoroughly exhibited by you, but we can justify anything to ourselves until we are black and blue in the face. If we truly want to believe something, others will never convince us otherwise.

You're lying about me. You and MJ are the only racists here.
NealNealNeal
 
  -2  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 09:19 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

I live in Australia. I ran into an African American man who had emmigrated here. He was well spoken / mannered / dressed. I asked him why he decided to move to Australia. He said he felt safe from the police here. It says a lot of the situation in the US that a well spoken well dressed black man would move here for such a reason.

Admittedly it is the smallest of sample sizes, as he is the only African American I've spoken to here - moving to Australia is very rare for them.


Yes. You have given an example of my greatest concern:
A beautiful woman is guilty of speeding. The officer who pulls her over let's her go with a warning.
A white man does the same thing. The officer gives him a lecture and gives him a ticket.
A black man does the same thing. The officer makes him "spread out". Then he gives him a ticket.
How do we even out the outcomes? We need to reach a point that we can trust each other.
Most of my knowledge of Australians come from good swimmers and Crocodile Dundee. Perhaps Australians are more advanced when it comes to race relations.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 09:21 pm
@NealNealNeal,
NealNealNeal wrote:
Perhaps Australians are more advanced when it comes to race relations.

They aren't particularly advanced by my judgement. They are probably better than the US. But that's a low bar to clear.

I'd emigrate to France if I had dark skin.
0 Replies
 
NealNealNeal
 
  -2  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 09:43 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

NealNealNeal wrote:
perhaps we do not have a full understanding. I think that we should have a dialog and listen to the concerns of blacks.
NealNealNeal wrote:
We need to work together so that all people have the opportunity to succeed.

I'm way past caring about dialogue with these anti-white racists at this point. If they try to murder people, they'll be killed in self defense.

One day I happened to turn my TV to where NFL Hall of Fame inductees were being honored. During their speeches every man basically stated his accomplishments. Then it was time for a great running back named LaDainian Tomlinson to speak. He spoke with such great character that I was stunned. He is a good person.
Give each black person you meet a chance. You may make a good friend.
NealNealNeal
 
  -2  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 09:49 pm
@NealNealNeal,
The dilemma is that he may shoot you.
0 Replies
 
vikorr
 
  2  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 11:10 pm
@NealNealNeal,
Australia isn't really more advanced - it just doesn't have the police vs black issue the US has, nor the guns issue that the US has, so our police are much less trigger happy.

Our aboriginal population makes up are much greater percentage of the prison population than its overal population representation...though it is not often highlighted that most of those aboriginals in prison are there for very violent crimes against their own people. There are numerous aboriginal communities, preserved for them...but all too often they unfortunately very remote, with almost no jobs, little entertainment, and so, often very disfunctional. While I agree with the concept of maintaining land that is theirs - the all too frequently disfunctional outcomes of how they currently operate is a tragedy.
0 Replies
 
vikorr
 
  2  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 11:13 pm
@oralloy,
As I said - people can convince themselves of anything.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2021 11:23 pm
@vikorr,
You are just lying about me. Nothing more.
vikorr
 
  2  
Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2021 12:04 am
@oralloy,
I have a rule:
- if I have conflict with one person, it may just be a conflict of personalities
- if I have conflict with two people, well, coincidences do happen
- if I have conflict with three people...it's time to look at the common denominator.

Now on a forum, the forum may attract people with particular ideas or inclinations, so the rule would have to be looked at in context (do you see how context is used?)...but a whole heap of people say:

- you don't deal with reality well (even though you claim otherwise)
- you keep peddling your opinion as fact (even though you claim otherwise)

...and on your side, you accuse more people of lying about you than anyone I've ever known.

In case this isn't clear - this isn't about logic, but human interaction, and human perception. From my perception - they are correct. I know that won't change your mind, and nor is it meant to (you've shown multiple times you don't)
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2021 12:13 am
@oralloy,
the liar is you, about vikor and me. your own repeated claims prove that.
vikorr
 
  2  
Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2021 02:18 am
@MontereyJack,
I'm not certain I'd exactly call what he's doing lying - as I think it is more of the nature that his mind is programmed so it won't let him think about particular arguments....and in its determined avoidance of thinking about such arguments... he falls back to the only thing he can think of "it must be a lie".

Ie. He has a hard time dealing with reality.

It's hard to take offense to something like that, as I wouldn't want that for myself.



oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2021 03:41 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
I have a rule:
- if I have conflict with one person, it may just be a conflict of personalities
- if I have conflict with two people, well, coincidences do happen
- if I have conflict with three people...it's time to look at the common denominator.

I have a different rule: always stick to facts and logic.


vikorr wrote:
Now on a forum, the forum may attract people with particular ideas or inclinations, so the rule would have to be looked at in context (do you see how context is used?)...but a whole heap of people say:

- you don't deal with reality well (even though you claim otherwise)
- you keep peddling your opinion as fact (even though you claim otherwise)

These phonies cannot back up their slander with any examples of me doing as they claim.


vikorr wrote:
...and on your side, you accuse more people of lying about you than anyone I've ever known.

They are lying.


vikorr wrote:
In case this isn't clear - this isn't about logic, but human interaction, and human perception.

It is quite clearly not about logic. What you're doing is a logical fallacy known as an appeal to the crowd.


vikorr wrote:
From my perception - they are correct.

Your perception is delusional at best.


vikorr wrote:
I know that won't change your mind, and nor is it meant to (you've shown multiple times you don't)

Wrong. I do change my mind, and I have shown it.

But it takes facts and logic to change my mind. Silly logical fallacies just won't do it.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2021 03:42 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
the liar is you, about vikor and me. your own repeated claims prove that.

You have a big mouth, but you're nothing but a fraud and a phony. You're all talk, and it's empty talk at that.

You cannot back up your empty claims with any examples of untrue statements from my posts.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2021 03:43 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
I'm not certain I'd exactly call what he's doing lying - as I think it is more of the nature that his mind is programmed so it won't let him think about particular arguments....and in its determined avoidance of thinking about such arguments...

In particular I avoid arguments that I can see are clearly irrelevant to the discussion.


vikorr wrote:
he falls back to the only thing he can think of "it must be a lie".

Falsehoods are falsehoods.


vikorr wrote:
Ie. He has a hard time dealing with reality.

Ummm. No.

You are the one who is spouting untrue statements, not me.
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.34 seconds on 12/22/2024 at 08:02:07