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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 05:47 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

Quote:
When did pistol grips become an issue?

That happened the moment someone arbitrarily decided that it was one of the items that qualified a rifle to be banned. In the case of this thread, it became an issue when infrablue, among others, arbitrarily decided that a pistol-grip makes a rifle especially dangerous by increasing its accuracy and rate of fire. She made that up. When asked to provide something to support her claim, she fared no better than the others. However, she took it even further by desperately declaring that such a question was a strawman argument.

To her credit, she did finally admit that she hadn't proved her claim. Nevertheless, to her discredit, she insisted that though she hadn't proved it, she could have if she had wanted to.

You took your issue of pistol grips and diverted this thread about guns with it; that's what made your pistol grip issue a straw man argument. Your straw man argument also made your issue a red herring, although you seem to be unaware of it.

By the way, I'm male.
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 05:53 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
what item in combination with that pistol-grip prompts you to call for the banning of that rifle?

No. I asked him what specific item in combination a pistol-grip prompts him to call for the banning of a rifle. If you're going to answer for someone else, at least get the question right.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 05:56 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
You took your issue of pistol grips and diverted this thread about guns with it; that's what made your pistol grip issue a straw man argument. Your straw man argument also made your issue a red herring, although you seem to be unaware of it.

That is incorrect. When you demand a law that outlaws pistol grips, you are the one who makes the topic all about pistol grips.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 05:57 pm
@Glennn,
You asked me. Heh, are you referring to me in the third person?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 05:58 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
You took your issue of pistol grips and diverted this thread about guns with it; that's what made your pistol grip issue a straw man argument. Your straw man argument also made your issue a red herring, although you seem to be unaware of it.

That is incorrect. When you demand a law that outlaws pistol grips, you are the one who makes the topic all about pistol grips.

You're incorrect about the law that I demand.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 06:02 pm
@InfraBlue,
Are you not demanding the reinstatement of the 1994 law against supposed "assault weapons"?
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 06:12 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
You took your issue of pistol grips and diverted this thread about guns with it; that's what made your pistol grip issue a straw man argument. Your straw man argument also made your issue a red herring, although you seem to be unaware of it.

No no no!

Remember this:
Quote:
Go back and see who started this tangent about pistol grips.

To which I responded:

Sounds like another claim. I would think that you would have by now learned that when you make a claim, you're going to be asked to prove it. So is this going to be like your unproven claim that a pistol-grip makes a rifle especially dangerous by increasing its accuracy and rate of fire, or are you actually going to fetch me the post in which I injected the subject of pistol-grips into this topic.

So what about it? You gonna change pace and actually support a claim here?

Anyway, you started something that you couldn't finish; that being your claim that a pistol-grip makes a rifle especially dangerous by increasing its accuracy and rate of fire. You made that claim before even finding out if it were true. But now you know it's not true. Of course, you are always free to claim that though you haven't proven it, you could prove it if you wanted to, but you just can't be bothered to do so. Oh wait, you actually did claim that. Another unproven claim . . .
Quote:
By the way, I'm male.

I based my choice on the fact that someone defended you, and they used the descriptive "her" when referring to you.
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 06:19 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
You asked me. Heh, are you referring to me in the third person?

You quoted a post from another poster. I was responding to that poster.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 07:26 pm
@Glennn,
I quoted the post you directed at me.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 07:32 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Are you not demanding the reinstatement of the 1994 law against supposed "assault weapons"?

Yes, or something similar.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 07:34 pm
@InfraBlue,
Then I correctly described what you are demanding. That law outlaws pistol grips on semi-auto rifles.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 10:13 pm
I don't know if anyone ever raised 13 year old girls or boys, but this is the same silly bullshit argument they try to use to distract you.........Maybe we can all just agree that we are too stupid as a nation to even dream up a rational to protect our children. Oh well, who cares??? Lets just concentrate on punishing everything else....who really cares how many young children are shot in their classrooms.
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 10:19 pm
@glitterbag,
What's your solution?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 10:26 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

Quote:
You took your issue of pistol grips and diverted this thread about guns with it; that's what made your pistol grip issue a straw man argument. Your straw man argument also made your issue a red herring, although you seem to be unaware of it.

No no no!

Remember this:
Quote:
Go back and see who started this tangent about pistol grips.

To which I responded:

Sounds like another claim. I would think that you would have by now learned that when you make a claim, you're going to be asked to prove it. So is this going to be like your unproven claim that a pistol-grip makes a rifle especially dangerous by increasing its accuracy and rate of fire, or are you actually going to fetch me the post in which I injected the subject of pistol-grips into this topic.

So what about it? You gonna change pace and actually support a claim here?


Sure. On this thread you started by falsely accusing farmerman of opposing a rifle because of it's style (pistol grip).

You then went on to present your straw man argument about grenade launchers, flash suppressors, bayonet mounts, and finally, your obsessive subject, pistol grips.

Glennn wrote:
Anyway, you started something that you couldn't finish; that being your claim that a pistol-grip makes a rifle especially dangerous by increasing its accuracy and rate of fire. You made that claim before even finding out if it were true. But now you know it's not true.

You're falling back on your fallacious logic.

Glennn wrote:
Of course, you are always free to claim that though you haven't proven it, you could prove it if you wanted to, but you just can't be bothered to do so. Oh wait, you actually did claim that. Another unproven claim . . .

What't the other unproven claim, exactly? That I can't be bothered to do so? Consider it proved. I cannot be bothered to to so, maybe some time in the future.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 10:27 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
I don't know if anyone ever raised 13 year old girls or boys, but this is the same silly bullshit argument they try to use to distract you.........

Sorry, but no. Confronting the progressives' agenda head-on is not a distraction.


glitterbag wrote:
Maybe we can all just agree that we are too stupid as a nation to even dream up a rational to protect our children.

Again no. Progressive efforts to outlaw pistol grips are not an attempt to protect children.


glitterbag wrote:
Oh well, who cares???

Not progressives, that's for sure.

Progressives only care about violating people's civil liberties for fun.


glitterbag wrote:
Lets just concentrate on punishing everything else....

That's what progressives would like to do certainly. But luckily the NRA is here to stop progressives from harming people.


glitterbag wrote:
who really cares how many young children are shot in their classrooms.

Progressives don't care about murdered children. That's for sure.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 10:31 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

What's your solution?


What's my solution????? To what? raising children?? Come on Glennn, you know what I'm saying.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 10:32 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Then I correctly described what you are demanding. That law outlaws pistol grips on semi-auto rifles.

You're misapprehending what I'm demanding, and mischaracterizing the law I'm referring to. That law outlaws combinations of features which include pistol grips. The law isn't solely about pistol grips.
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 10:34 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
What't the other unproven claim, exactly? That I can't be bothered to do so? Consider it proved. I cannot be bothered to to so, maybe some time in the future.

Well you did make the claim that a pistol-grip makes a rifle especially dangerous by increasing its rate of fire. When asked to prove that claim, you were suddenly confronted with the fact that you cannot prove it. Then you made another claim to cover your first unproven claim. You claimed that you could prove it if you wanted to, but that you don't want to . . . right now. And no doubt you will now claim that such reasoning isn't lame, even though when brought out into the light of day, it is nothing but lame.
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 10:43 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
That law outlaws combinations of features which include pistol grips.

What feature in combination with a pistol-grip do you claim creates an especially dangerous rifle?
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2019 10:45 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:

Sure. On this thread you started by falsely accusing farmerman of opposing a rifle because of it's style (pistol grip).

So now it is your claim that I was the one who injected the issue of pistol-grips into this thread? You might want to check into that a little further.
 

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