Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@glitterbag,

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What's my solution?????

Yes. What's your solution?

@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

You're misapprehending what I'm demanding, and mischaracterizing the law I'm referring to. That law outlaws combinations of features which include pistol grips. The law isn't solely about pistol grips.

No misrepresentation. A law does not have to be solely about pistol grips, in order for the law to be about pistol grips.

And the other things that the law covers, flash suppressors, bayonet mounts, barrel shrouds, etc, are all equally as harmless as pistol grips are.

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@glitterbag,

Let's look at the "school shootings" in 2019. CNN provided a list, claiming that there were 44 "school shootings" in 46 weeks. The idea is to make people think that children are being shot in the classroom every frickin' week.
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A 19-year-old student was shot by a masked gunman while getting out of a car at Achievement Academy, a high school. His injuries were non-life-threatening. Authorities believe an altercation occurred between the victim and shooter.
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Is that your idea of an incident in which children were being shot down in the classroom?

It's late, but I'll be back tomorrow to post the next "school shooting" on the list.

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

Glennn wrote:
glitterbag wrote:
Maybe we can all just agree that we are too stupid as a nation to even dream up a rational to protect our children. Oh well, who cares??? Lets just concentrate on punishing everything else....who really cares how many young children are shot in their classrooms.

What's your solution?

What's my solution????? To what? raising children?? Come on Glennn, you know what I'm saying.

He was asking what your solution is regarding the subject of your virtue signaling.

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@glitterbag,

I mean, do you want background checks? I'm not opposed to that. Do you want a limit on magazine-size? I'm not opposed to that. Do you want to ban rifles because they have a pistol-grip? I'm opposed to that, unless you can prove that they make a rifle especially dangerous, but I'm sure there's no one in this thread who still believes that that can be done.

Or maybe you want to have all guns banned. Is that what you want? Say what you want.

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@Glennn,

I think this whole discussion is a waste of time and total nonsense and ingenious.
I have no solution because there is no-one in this country willing to try to curb gun violence. I'm sick of the retort of ":yeah, but..yeah but the second amendment "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"...I own weapons, my weapons are registered and I'm distressed that some folks worship guns so much they are willing to make excuses for reckless handling of weapons (I don't care if they are painted pink, have skulls embellished on the barrel or if it was the M-16 my first husband fired at me)

I don't want the second amendment repealed, I'm more upset that this country cannot figure out a way to protect our children. We have relinquished our responsibility and have decided we can spit into the wind. I don't think anybody really cares anymore. I think about people like my parents who struggled thru the Depression, then fought during WWII and came back home, paid enormous taxes to rebuild this country..and then sat back and watched their children and grandchildren squander the fruits of their sacrifice and labor.

So, lets phrase this another way....Do you have a solution? It can't possibly be 'don't have children'... I just don't understand what you are trying to argue? Is it embellishment of automatic weapons is a problem or not a problem????, does it really matter to the founders what color the gun is,???? should we replace lead bullets because they poison the environment?? I suppose what I really want to know is "are mass shootings (injuries as well as death) something anyone cares about? Are we going to nitpick what is considered violence i.e. paralysis, comas, multiple surgeries.......or does it only count if the shlubs are dead???? I just would like someone to explain it to me. (but for Christ's sake, not oralboy)

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@Glennn,

Have you not paid attention to anything I've written??? I don't want a ban on guns, I think the whole pistol grip bullshit is a red herring...I own guns, I've been shot at and I still don't want guns banned.......Do you understand now??? I've said what I am concerned about..,....why is that such a mystery???

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

I think the whole pistol grip bullshit is a red herring...

You are wrong. Progressive efforts to outlaw pistol grips are the central issue.

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@Glennn,

Your opinion is duly noted.

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@oralloy,

You are easily influenced by bullshit....what a surprise. Who do you think are progressives on this forum? I'd happily tell you who I think are suggestible morons. Might be best to PM.

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@glitterbag,

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Is it embellishment of automatic weapons is a problem or not a problem????

What does that mean? Explain.

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I have no solution because there is no-one in this country willing to try to curb gun violence.

I didn't ask whether or not anyone in the country was willing to try to curb gun violence. But apparently, that is your reason for not having a solution.

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I don't want the second amendment repealed, I'm more upset that this country cannot figure out a way to protect our children.

There have been school shootings. And it seems that the anti-gun nuts are milking those shootings for all they can get out of them. I'm going to post the rest of those "school shootings" one at a time to show that the media is not above distorting reality as a means to an end that isn't such a mystery.

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Have you not paid attention to anything I've written??? I don't want a ban on guns, I think the whole pistol grip bullshit is a red herring

There is a poster here who claims that a pistol-grip makes a rifle especially dangerous by increasing its accuracy and rate of fire. It is one of the features listed that allegedly turns a regular rifle into an assault weapon, and that would be grounds for banning it. You're right. It is bullshit. And I don't think I'm gonna let that bullshit stand.

Tell me something. Since alcohol kills way more people and kids than guns, why isn't there a campaign to ban it. It isn't necessary for defense or hunting or sport. So what's up with that kind of conflicting philosophy?

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

You are easily influenced by bullshit....what a surprise.

Wrong. I deal strictly in facts. That is why I am always able to correct your ignorance.

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@glitterbag,

You engage in name-calling because you are not capable of adding anything intelligent to the discussion.

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@Glennn,

Glennn wrote:

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That law outlaws combinations of features which include pistol grips.

What feature in combination with a pistol-grip do you claim creates an especially dangerous rifle?

Those such as are found on AR-15's, AK47's and similar assault weapons.

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@Glennn,

Glennn wrote:

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Sure. On this thread you started by falsely accusing farmerman of opposing a rifle because of it's style (pistol grip).

So now it is your claim that I was the one who injected the issue of pistol-grips into this thread? You might want to check into that a little further.

No, I'm saying you took the issue of pistol grips and started banging away about it, diverting this thread which is about guns, not pistol grips.

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@InfraBlue,

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No, I'm saying you took the issue of pistol grips and started banging away about it, diverting this thread which is about guns, not pistol grips.

Jeez, ya know. I distinctly recall asking why a rifle should be banned because it had a pistol-grip. And if memory serves--and it does--you claimed that a pistol-grip makes a rifle especially dangerous. Now you want to complain because I hammered you until you finally admitted that you have nothing to show in support of your claim. Don't worry, as long as you no longer make unsubstantiated claims about pistol-grips, I will no longer call you on it.

And by the way, this thread is very much about condemning certain guns with certain features; for instance the pistol-grip. But now that you and I have settled that little disagreement, we need not mention it again.

So, what would you like to address next?

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@InfraBlue,

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Those such as are found on AR-15's, AK47's and similar assault weapons.

Sorry, but you're being asked what specific feature in combination with a pistol-grip you believe turns a semiautomatic rifle into an assault rifle?

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@Glennn,

I am so disappointed with you. It's obvious you don't want to entertain conversation you just want to have a debate "Guns Good, Guns Bad" as if it simplistic...

Glennn"""""Tell me something. Since alcohol kills way more people and kids than guns, why isn't there a campaign to ban it. It isn't necessary for defense or hunting or sport. So what's up with that kind of conflicting philosophy?""""""

I don't know how old you are or if you are interested in American History,,,,,ever hear of the Temperance Movement which led to Prohibition??? That was the moral brigade, the purity league led by Carrie Nation (who was also concerned about tight clothing) who carried out attacks on saloons. And it was paradise from 1920 until 1933 while the bootleggers ruled the cities.

Lets digress even more, how about sexual assault and domestic violence??? Doesn't that ruin many lives???? But the topic is guns, I suppose you are tapped out and as long as you can split hairs about the age of gunshot victims...oh, pish tosh and piffle, and to quote Scarlett O'Hara "Tomorrow is another Day"

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
You're misapprehending what I'm demanding, and mischaracterizing the law I'm referring to. That law outlaws combinations of features which include pistol grips. The law isn't solely about pistol grips.

No misrepresentation. A law does not have to be solely about pistol grips, in order for the law to be about pistol grips.

Yes, your misapprehension leads to your mischaracterization.

oralloy wrote:

And the other things that the law covers, flash suppressors, bayonet mounts, barrel shrouds, etc, are all equally as harmless as pistol grips are.

I agree.

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@glitterbag,

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I am so disappointed with you.

Ohhh nooo! Is that the sound of the sky falling?

You're not answering any questions. Nor are you addressing any of my points concerning the media's manipulation of perception with their 44 school shootings in 46 weeks bullshit. Rather than answer my question concerning the first "school shooting" on that list, you instead opt to turn on the scolding tone. If you would rather not give your opinion about the nature of that school shooting, and the ones I'm going to post tomorrow, then don't. But lashing out is no substitute for simply answering.

Try again:

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A 19-year-old student was shot by a masked gunman while getting out of a car at Achievement Academy, a high school. His injuries were non-life-threatening. Authorities believe an altercation occurred between the victim and shooter.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________

Is that your idea of an incident in which children were being shot down in the classroom?

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