Who glorifies assault style weapons? Why the gun industry and their minions in the magazines like Guns & Ammo, of course, who else? That's why Kroger will no longer sell magazines that put assault-style weapons on the cover:
Kroger will stop selling magazines about assault rifles
by Aaron Smith @AaronSmithCNN March 16, 2018: 6:35 PM ET
Kroger is going to stop selling magazines about assault rifles, a spokeswoman for the grocery chain said on Friday.
Kroger (KR) made the announcement just weeks after it said it would stop selling guns and ammunition to anyone under the age of 21. Kroger sells guns through its 45 Fred Meyer stores, located in four Western states.
Kroger didn't specify how the company will screen gun magazines for "assault rifles." Some magazines, like Field & Stream, focus on hunting rifles and shotguns. Other magazines focus on handguns. But military-style assault rifles often appear on the cover of magazines like Guns & Ammo, Recoil and Tactical Life.
People often use the term "assault rifles" to refer to semiautomatic military-style rifles that are widely available to civilians in the US.
After a mass shooting last month at a high school in Parkland, Florida, Dick's Sporting Goods (DKS)said it would stop selling assault-style rifles and would no longer sell guns to anyone under the age of 21. Source
No, it's true. The presence or absence of a pistol grip makes no difference to the outcome of these attacks.
Blickers wrote:
the pistol grip makes the semi-auto more closely resemble an assault style weapon which is glorified in popular media. Hence, a disturbed person is more likely to use this weapon as his way of going out in a Blaze of Glory, along with as many innoent people as he can manage. Unless he chickens out at the last minute and lets himself get taken alive.
There is no proof of that.
But since it makes no difference to the outcome of the attacks, why would that even matter?
Blickers wrote:
Assault style semiauto rifles are toys for grown ups who want to pretend to be Rambo.
You've never explained what that is even supposed to mean. However, people use them for hunting, self defense, and competitive sport.
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oralloy
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Thu 5 Jul, 2018 11:18 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
Dick's sporting goods has also decided to Stop The Madness. They have a conscience. More people should.
All they've done is prove that they hate freedom and civil rights. And now everyone who cares about freedom and civil rights doesn't shop there anymore.
That's why Kroger will no longer sell magazines that put assault-style weapons on the cover:
I'm not really sure who goes to Kroger to buy magazines, but anyone who cares about freedom and civil rights now has an incentive to take their business elsewhere.
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Baldimo
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Fri 6 Jul, 2018 11:47 am
@Blickers,
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AR-15 type weapons were involved in the shootings. Multiple people died in those shootings. That's the important thing.
This is why you won't quote everything that was said in a post:
"Even if I agree that all 11 shooting were in fact mass shootings, those 11 shootings over 6 years is 1.8 shootings per year. Now you have to prove it has accelerated from the previous 6 years that it was lower than 1.8 per 6 years... You still haven't proven this, instead you have gone on this tangent of questioning the shootings instead of proving your point, typical. "
For the sake of argument, I agreed that all 11 were mass shootings, see above. You chose to instead continue to argue over the shootings instead of proving your original point that these shootings have been accelerating, you still haven't done so, and continue with the same BS.
Prove your point already.
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Baldimo
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Fri 6 Jul, 2018 11:55 am
@Blickers,
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Who glorifies assault style weapons? Why the gun industry and their minions in the magazines like Guns & Ammo, of course, who else? That's why Kroger will no longer sell magazines that put assault-style weapons on the cover:
You really are short on any sort of credibility when it comes to attributing motives to groups you don't like. The only glorification of guns and murder takes place in the MSM, they are the ones who highlight the body count and make sure to mention every time an AR-15 type weapon is used. Very little hype is provided to shootings not involving AR's.
The only glorification of guns and murder takes place in the MSM,
Guns & Ammo are probably not part of what you pretentiously call "the MSM", and they glorify assault style semiautomatic rifles all the time. You know, put them on the cover of the mag and and all that.
Quote Baldimo:
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they are the ones who highlight the body count and make sure to mention every time an AR-15 type weapon is used.
That's true Baldimo, when a deranged fanatic shoots up a school, which seems to be happening quite a lot, the media will do its job and report the details, including the body count. Most people find it repugnant and outrageous that our kids might get shot up in school, but pro-gun types like yourselves only see bad publicity for your precious toys, not dead schoolchildren. And now you are calling for the media to abdicate their job, without realizing how bad you look doing that.
Thank you for the pic some gun advocate made that an assault style rifle can actually be used for hunting, even though they were not designed for that. Now if only some gun advocate with a medical degree can figure out a way to use an AR-15 for open heart surgery, I've no doubt pro-NRA posters will posting pics all over the internet with the caption:
The Remarkable AR-15: Self-Defense AND Medical Breakthrough
That's true Baldimo, when a deranged fanatic shoots up a school, which seems to be happening quite a lot, the media will do its job and report the details, including the body count. Most people find it repugnant and outrageous that our kids might get shot up in school, but pro-gun types like yourselves only see bad publicity for your precious toys, not dead schoolchildren. And now you are calling for the media to abdicate their job, without realizing how bad you look doing that.
This media reporting is likely the cause of subsequent massacres. If you want these massacres to end, it would be useful to focus on the actual cause.
Thank you for the pic some gun advocate made that an assault style rifle can actually be used for hunting, even though they were not designed for that.
A gun is a gun. If you use it for hunting, it's a hunting rifle. If you don't use it for hunting, it's not a hunting rifle.
The picture actually came from a bullet manufacturer's website. I presume the moose was taken with one of their bullets.
I was looking up .550 magnums yesterday morning. This is an otherwise-promising elephant gun round that suffers from the fact that hardly anyone makes .55 caliber elephant bullets. I was just checking to see if any major bullet manufacturers had begun doing so. Apparently they haven't. In the process of my search, I happened across this manufacturer's website and happened across that picture.
I also came across a video from an African safari organization where a professional hunter used a .550 magnum to stop a charging cape buffalo after a tourist irritated it. It is kind of instructive on the necessity of having a professional hunter with you when hunting extremely dangerous animals.
It was kind of funny how the tourist acted like it was a successful hunt afterwords. If all I did was make a cape buffalo decide to kill everyone, and then someone else brought it down, I'd not consider that to be much of a success.
The State’s evidence imparts that the AR-15 was developed
after World War II for the U.S. military. It was designed as a
selective-fire rifle — one that can be fired in either automatic
mode (firing continuously as long as the trigger is depressed)
or semiautomatic mode (firing one round of ammunition for each
pull of the trigger and, after each round is fired,
automatically loading the next). In combat-style testing
conducted in 1959, it was “discovered that a 7- or even 5-man
squad armed with AR-15s could do as well or better in hit-andkill
potential . . . than the traditional 11-man squad armed
with M14 rifles,” which were the heavier selective-fire rifles
then used by soldiers in the Army. See J.A. 930.4 Subsequent
field testing in Vietnam, in 1962, revealed the AR-15 “to be a
very lethal combat weapon” that was “well-liked . . . for its
size and light recoil.” Id. at 968. Reports from that testing
indicated that “the very high-velocity AR-15 projectiles” had
caused “[a]mputations of limbs, massive body wounds, and
decapitations.” Id.
Within the next few years, the Department of Defense
purchased more than 100,000 AR-15 rifles for the Army and the
Air Force, and the military changed the name “AR-15” to “M16.”
By that time, the former Soviet Union was already producing the
AK-47, a selective-fire rifle which, like the AR-15/M16, was
developed for offensive use and has been adopted by militaries
around the world. Various firearms companies have since
manufactured civilian versions of the AR-15 and AK-47 that are
semiautomatic but otherwise retain the military features and
capabilities of the fully automatic M16 and AK-47. Several
other FSA-banned assault weapons are — like the AR-15 and
semiautomatic AK-47 — semiautomatic versions of machineguns
initially designed for military use. See, e.g., J.A. 1257 (UZI
and Galil rifles); id. at 1260 (Fabrique National (“FN”) assault
rifles); id. at 1261 (Steyr AUG rifles).
The difference between the fully automatic and
semiautomatic versions of those firearms is slight. That is,
the automatic firing of all the ammunition in a large-capacity
thirty-round magazine takes about two seconds, whereas a
semiautomatic rifle can empty the same magazine in as little as
five seconds. See, e.g., J.A. 1120 (“[S]emiautomatic weapons
can be fired at rates of 300 to 500 rounds per minute, making
them virtually indistinguishable in practical effect from
machineguns.”). Moreover, soldiers and police officers are
often advised to choose and use semiautomatic fire, because it
is more accurate and lethal than automatic fire in many combat
and law enforcement situations.
The AR-15, semiautomatic AK-47, and other assault weapons
banned by the FSA have a number of features designed to achieve
their principal purpose — “killing or disabling the enemy” on
the battlefield. See J.A. 735. For example, some of the banned
assault weapons incorporate flash suppressors, which are
designed to help conceal a shooter’s position by dispersing
muzzle flash. Others possess barrel shrouds, which enable
“spray-firing” by cooling the barrel and providing the shooter a
“convenient grip.” Id. at 1121. Additional military features
include folding and telescoping stocks, pistol grips, grenade
launchers, night sights, and the ability to accept bayonets and
large-capacity magazines.
Several manufacturers of the banned assault weapons, in
advertising them to the civilian market, tout their products’
battlefield prowess. Colt’s Manufacturing Company boasts that
its AR-15 rifles are manufactured “based on the same military
standards and specifications as the United States issue Colt M16
rifle and M4 carbine.” See J.A. 1693. Bushmaster describes its
Adaptive Combat Rifle as “the ultimate military combat weapons
system” that is “built specifically for law enforcement and
tactical markets.” Id. at 1697.
In short, like their fully automatic counterparts, the
banned assault weapons “are firearms designed for the
battlefield, for the soldier to be able to shoot a large number
of rounds across a battlefield at a high rate of speed.”
Their design results in “a capability for lethality —
more wounds, more serious, in more victims — far beyond that of
other firearms in general, including other semiautomatic guns.”
So the courts have accepted that the AR-15 and similar weapons are not the same as other semiautomatic guns. That now has legal precedent and any argument that they are the same would need to show this with fact in order to overturn stare decisis.
At the same time, according to the State’s evidence, the
FSA-banned assault weapons have been used disproportionately to
their ownership in mass shootings and the murders of law
enforcement officers. Even more frequently, such incidents have
involved large-capacity magazines. One study of sixty-two mass
shootings between 1982 and 2012, for example, found that the
perpetrators were armed with assault rifles in 21% of the
massacres and with large-capacity magazines in 50% or more (as
it was unknown to the researchers whether large-capacity
magazines were involved in many of the cases).
For their part, the plaintiffs have purported to dispute
the State’s evidence equating the FSA-banned assault weapons
with the M16, but have not produced evidence actually
demonstrating that the banned assault weapons are less dangerous
than or materially distinguishable from military arms.
the Heller Court specified that “weapons
that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the
like — may be banned” without infringement upon the Second
Amendment right.
