Guns: how much longer will it take ....

Since the pistol grip doesn't change the outcome of these shootings, it really doesn't matter if more crazed murderers are choosing to use guns that have a pistol grip.

Do tell. Let's take a real quick look at some of what you feel count as my inaccuracies:

So he opened fire with an AR-15 in a movie theater but according to you it doesn't count as a mass shooting because he had backup weapons too. Sorry, it counts.

So it doesn't count as a mass shooting because he killed his family first before going out to shoot several more people who aren't family? Sorry, it counts.

A spree killer is someone who kills two or more victims in a short time, in multiple locations. The U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics defines a spree killing as "killings at two or more locations with almost no time break between murders".

Errr....not quite. Here's the account:

A mass shooting is an incident involving multiple victims of firearms-related violence.[1] The United States' Congressional Research Service acknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition, and defines a "public mass shooting"[2] as one in which four or more people selected indiscriminately, not including the perpetrator, are killed, echoing the FBI definition[3][4] of the term "mass murder". However, according to the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012, signed into law in January 2013, a mass killing is defined as a killing with at least three deaths, excluding the perpetrator.[5][6][7][8] Another unofficial definition of a mass shooting is an event involving the shooting (not necessarily resulting in death) of five or more people (sometimes four)[9] with no cooling-off period.[10][9][11] Related terms include school shooting and massacre.

So-kill 2 people at a store, go home and shoot your parents, then open fire on the cops who are coming after you-and this doesn't count as a mass shooting according to you. Are you kidding?

I'm not going to bore the readers by going through any more of your excuses why mass shootings aren't really mass shootings.

In all 7 out of 11 stories were actual mass shooter events, the other 4 stories would fall under normal murder states with guns. If these are all of the events that took place in the last 6 years that included AR type guns, you haven't really proven anything except people do indeed use these types of guns to murder people, which isn't in dispute, what's in dispute is the frequency in which you claim they happen.

The use of assault style semiauto rifles is accelerating as we can all see. And ridiculous excuses are all we're going to get from the NRA advocates.

If the pistol grip makes no difference, why did the military switch over to pistol grips for the assault weapons these rifles are emulating?

It costs money to change the production line.

So you dodge the rest of the post because it challenges your theory that these types of shootings are increasing since 2004, when the "facts" you provided only dated back to 2012.

Correct it doesn't count as a mass shooting. It was a shooting spree, not a mass shooting. There are 2 different meanings and definitions. To try and label all of these crimes as simply "mass shootings" is intellectually dishonest.

So you dodge the rest of the post.....

You need to go back to school. Mass shootings employing assault-style semiautomatic rifles don't need to go back to 2004 to accelerate, they've been accelerating quite well since 2012.

I chose that number of years because six years is a fairly recent time frame, corresponding to most people's idea of "just the past few years". 2004 is nearly a whole generation ago-if someone was starting kindergarten in 2004, they've gone through high school and might be married with kids already.

Hah! So that's your tack-break up lists of incidents where someone using an assault-style semiauto shot many people, and separate them into lesser number of incidents of mass shootings as opposed to spree shootings as opposed to family arguments that just happened to get out of control and innocent strangers got shot.

Oh yes, that should certainly convince the public that the assault-style rifles really aren't that deadly at all. You really do think people will fall for anything, don't you?

Therefore, when one of your posts consists of many quote boxes with your response, I reserve the right to deal with just one or two points in the interest of brevity and readability. For the future, I will make an effort to be briefer and more readable in my posting, and cease posting messages employing an outrageous number of quote boxes as well.

you need to provide some background into how many mass shootings in previous years and the types of weapons used.

The reason you post the way you do is that you try to break something down into small parts or cancel it out so your side doesn't look so bad.

Something can accelerate from 2012 onward just as easy as it can accelerate from 2005 onward.

When it gets to the point that you claim that someone going into a store and shooting two people dead, then driving to his parents' house and shooting them, (they somehow survived), then opening fire on the cops who came to arrest him doesn't count as a mass shooting and should be discounted, you're not convincing anyone.

I did that for 2012 through the present. And it was 11 shootings, not seven. If you want to go back farther, why don't you post it?

I post the shootings of several people involving AR-15 style weapons, you're the one trying to set up the wall of impenetrable BS.

Once again, you try to break down the shootings involving AR-15 style weapons into different categories so the total doesn't seem so bad.

You tell us Umm, that one is a mass shooting, that other one is a spree shooting, that third one started out as a family quarrel only continued on until some other non-family people got all shot up, so technically that's not a mass shooting either.

And you pro-gun people try to pass this off as clearing away BS other people post?

You are pathetic.

But that's all right, keep on keeping on.

Sooner or later the public will realize there is nothing coming from your side except lame excuses why the bodies of innocents and children are piled up by your favorite little military lookalike toys.

No, you specifically called every one of them a mass shooting, I only disputed 4 of the 11 you posted and said those were not mass shootings but different categories of shootings.

Sooner or later the public will realize there is nothing coming from your side except lame excuses why the bodies of innocents and children are piled up by your favorite little military lookalike toys.

assault style weapon which is glorified in popular media.

Hence, a disturbed person

Assault style semiauto rifles are toys for grown ups who want to pretend to be Rambo.