Guns: how much longer will it take ....

Sure, so prisoners get assaulted all the time, and rapes aren't uncommon in prisons. They therefore need guns for self defence.

And all the other people who I asked 'should they be allowed to have guns' are at no less need of self defence as the ordinary citizen. Some, like standover merchants, drug dealers, and street gangs would likely be at greater risk of assault.

Well, in this case, we aren't talking about licencing etc, but about certain people not being allowed guns / or being allowed guns.

rather than what is needed and actually works have to turn even the good to **** if it feeds your need for meaning in life.

Uh huh. Sure. And your responses so far have demonstrated perfectly what I've said about you not being willing to state your position on the subject, and then offer a logical argument to support that position?

Uh huh. Sure. And your responses so far have demonstrated perfectly what I've said about you not being willing to state your position on the subject, and then offer a logical argument to support that position?

He thinks he's playing the role of the absolutist when in fact he's trying to play "gotcha game".

Funny that you haven't asked a specific question as requested.

No they don't, they are surrounded by fences and guards with guns. They are better protected than the local school.

Prison rape commonly refers to the rape of inmates in prison by other inmates or prison staff. In 2001, Human Rights Watch estimated that at least 140,000 inmates had been raped while incarcerated in the United States.[1] A United States Department of Justice report, Sexual Victimization in Prisons and Jails Reported by Inmates, states that "In 2011–12, an estimated 4.0% of state and federal prison inmates and 3.2% of jail inmates reported experiencing one or more incidents of sexual victimization by another inmate or facility staff in the past 12 months or since admission to the facility, if less than 12 months."

According to the bureau, 11 inmates were killed by fellow prisoners at its Federal penitentiaries in the fiscal year that ended last Sept. 30,

Sure I did. I said to you, "In this case, freedom equals the right to have a gun for self protection. Do you care to argue that point?" And you offered no response. So let's start off where you failed to the Max to respond. Tell me your position on my right to own a gun for home protection.

If you care to offer a very specific example (ie. a scenario), I can give you what I think is right.

Uh, that is exactly the same thing.

I don’t see any mention of guns there – or are you saying it's subjective and you can add guns in?

It still doesn’t gel with ‘shall not be infringed’

By the way, thanks for rest in your replies. They were quite interesting.

So it appears that your initial response only applies to prisoners? And the rest should have guns? That only appears to be the case, but may not be, hence the question.

I thought you must have had a more specific question in mind

- it's the role of government to keep it's people safe
- no one should be executed by a citizen for committing a crime - that too is the role of government

- it opens a defence for people like Oscar Pistorius

We can mostly agree - nothing you say is particularly controversial to me.

'Extreme Risk' Gun Bill to Be Debated at Mass. State House

A bill that would allow for the temporary removal of firearms from people who are considered
"high risk" is scheduled for debate Wednesday in the Massachusetts House.

Supporters of the legislation say the proposed bill will help make Massachusetts communities
safer and prevent future mass shootings. Opponents say the legislation would confiscate guns
while not dealing with mental health concerns.

Critics are urging lawmakers to vote against the bill.

"They actually changed the title of the bill. The title of the bill was about extreme risk protection
order, suicide prevention. They changed the bill title to it’s an act relative to firearms," said Jim
Wallace, Executive Director of Gun Owners’ Action League.

Under the measure, a relative or local police officer could petition a court for an extreme risk
protection order if they believe a legal gun owner is exhibiting dangerous or unstable behavior.

Democratic Rep. Marjorie Decker, the lead sponsor of the so-called "red flag" bill, calls it a
"measured and reasonable approach" to help save lives.

"If you think someone in your home is going to kill themselves, hurt themselves or hurt other
people with their gun, my law, once it's passed, will allow the court to access evidence, decide
whether or not that’s true and separate someone from their guns," Decker said.