How many people is it acceptable to have.....

I find it hilarious and any woman who gets upset at it simply lacks confidence in herself despite it containing so much that is obviously true

Women are suited to being the nurses and teachers of our earliest childhood precisely because they themselves are childish, silly and short-sighted, in a word big children, their whole lives long: a kind of intermediate stage between the child and the man. One has only to watch a girl playing with a child, dancing and singing with it the whole day, and then ask oneself what, with the best will in the world, a man could do in her place.

In the girl nature has had in view what could in theatrical terms be called a stage-effect: it has provided her with superabundant beauty and charm for a few years at the expense of the whole remainder of her life,

Thus nature has equipped women, as it has all its creatures, with the tools and weapons she needs for securing her existence,

Female truth
The fundamental defect of the female character is a lack of a sense of justice. This originates first and foremost in their want of rationality and capacity for reflexion but it is strengthened by the fact that, as the weaker sex, they are driven to rely not on force but on cunning: hence their instinctive subtlety and their ineradicable tendency to tell lies: for, as nature has equipped the lion with claws and teeth, the elephant with tusks, the wild boar with fangs, the bull with horns and the cuttlefish with ink, so it has equipped woman with the power of dissimulation as her means of attack and defence, and has transformed into this gift all the strength it has bestowed on man in the form of physical strength and the power of reasoning. Dissimulation is thus inborn in her and consequently to be found in the stupid woman almost as often as in the clever one. To make use of it at every opportunity is as natural to her as it is for an animal to employ its means of defence whenever it is attacked, and when she does so she feels that to some extent she is only exercising her rights. A completely truthful woman who does not practice dissimulation is perhaps an impossibility, which is why women see through the dissimulation of others so easily it is inadvisable to attempt it with them. " But this fundamental defect which I have said they possess, together with all that is associated with it, gives rise to falsity, unfaithfulness, treachery, ingratitude, etc. Women are guilty of perjury far more often than men. It is questionable whether they ought to be allowed to take an oath at all.

Feminine charms
Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex: for it is with this drive that all its beauty is bound up.

But the whole point of this debate is to expose how weak the cultural and societal forces have become under the influence of Ladymedia.

Those forces are now so weak, as we have seen on here, that the biological urges, which are known to be periodic, are often overwhelmed by rebelliousness and invidious comparisons with peers and, as you showed, the only way to feel attractive.

Those forces are now so weak, as we have seen on here, that the biological urges, which are known to be periodic, are often overwhelmed by rebelliousness and invidious comparisons with peers and, as you showed, the only way to feel attractive.

Spendius - who controls media?

Sadly, I can't disagree with this (except to say that during sex was/is not the only time I felt/feel attractive - that was my friend- the one who used to lock me out of our room.).

Sgt. Rock is going to help me
make the girl mine
keep her stood in line
Sgt. Rock is going to help me
make the girl mine
keep her stood in line
make the girl mine, wave the victory sign

If ever we need an example of the charming feminine characteristic of dissimulation we need look no further than this little gem radiating its surroundings with innocence.

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All I know is that I could sit and have my eye on someone and pine and pine, but I wasn't supposed to show any sign of having chosen him until he indicated he'd chosen me first.

Those forces are now so weak, as we have seen on here, that the biological urges, which are known to be periodic, are often overwhelmed by rebelliousness and invidious comparisons with peers and, as you showed, the only way to feel attractive.

Nope. I'm not underconfident and I haven't been since I was 18. I'm not saying some women don't do what you suggest, but not me. Thats just another way of presenting a woman as a victim when she chooses to have sex.

PQ - Spendius has a problem with me waiting to be asked and he has a problem with you not waiting to be asked and actively pursuing the guy (if that's in fact how it happened - I can't remember because it doesn't really matter to me).
We can't win.
What he doesn't realize or won't admit is that we are both products of the times and environments in which we were socialized.

He chooses to ignore that, and attribute our two very differing behaviors to the same manipulative and self-serving feminine gene he believes exists and is an integral characteristic of every female.

All I can say is that at least the authority of such thought structures has been displaced in recent years.

Women of course. They watch it most and finance it with the purchases they make.

The agenda is set to flatter them so they watch the ads

I'd love to hear a woman commentating on the Ebor Handicap. Or the Ayr Gold Cup.

I knew that. I would never have expected you to say that about yourself.

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Sgt. Rock is going to help me
make the girl mine
keep her stood in line
Sgt. Rock is going to help me
make the girl mine
keep her stood in line
make the girl mine, wave the victory sign



XTC.

Johnny Rotten referred to "can I **** you now" songs. And I've been told that his Irish Butter ad has increased sales by 70% . And if he eats it himself, as I am confident he does, his integrity is undiminished.

Which is tantamount to saying that a "new woman" has come into the world. And with her a "new man". And what a sorry mess he is. He actually accompanies his wife shopping. Holds her hand too. I bet she wishes he would vanish. Some of them seem scared of letting her out of his sight. It must be very trying when all the propaganda is telling her how wonderful it is. She'll have to pass by the cream-cake cafe.

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Which is tantamount to saying that a "new woman" has come into the world. And with her a "new man". And what a sorry mess he is. He actually accompanies his wife shopping. Holds her hand too. I bet she wishes he would vanish. Some of them seem scared of letting her out of his sight. It must be very trying when all the propaganda is telling her how wonderful it is. She'll have to pass by the cream-cake cafe.

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Largely, people concieve things in dualisms, one dominant over the other.

While I agree Queenie I can't believe you've refrained from putting the boot in. No-one doubts Spendy's intelligence, but this statement says volumes about his preconceptions and conditioning.

To propose that one group cannot attain dignity without another group losing it I find abhorrent. I don't find Spendy abhorrent but that idea, so easily transferred to race, class, sexuality (choose your own prejudice), betrays a mindset that is a source of much of our inhumanity to each other.

which are in answer to what they believe men desire or command them to be.

I'm not saying that they should be held unaccountable for caving into expectation, but again- what does the unpassable woman do for love and companionship if she refuses to succumb and aspire to the male ideal of passability?

And I'm talking about straight out sex and affection. I'm not talking about bagging a meal ticket. I'm talking about the basic human need that every person has for closeness and sex.

and if she did you'd misongynistically (if that's a word) either call her a dyke or make fun of her for standing there with her cleavage showing as you did a few posts back.

Why not? I know why I wouldn't, but I'm curious to know why you think I wouldn't.

So you guys are just as manipulative as you say women are.

Quid pro quo - what's wrong with that?

. We should really just scrap the whole thing.

How about the couple both go shopping ('new man' is more than capable) and both decide what to put in the basket.

How about the couple both go shopping ('new man' is more than capable) and both decide what to put in the basket.

How awful. If they are a proper couple she would know what he wants bringing home. And she wouldn't be able to flirt so freely with the divorced chap in shorts with quality muscle definition.

We have to accept that some, often most, of our basic human needs go unfulfilled.

I don't think you would reveal such a side of yourself.

So you guys are just as manipulative as you say women are.

Yes. But not as good at it. In general I mean.

You concede the position I'm taking with that. It's a deal. Hence a battle.

While I agree Queenie I can't believe you've refrained from putting the boot in. No-one doubts Spendy's intelligence, but this statement says volumes about his preconceptions and conditioning.

To propose that one group cannot attain dignity without another group losing it I find abhorrent. I don't find Spendy abhorrent but that idea, so easily transferred to race, class, sexuality (choose your own prejudice), betrays a mindset that is a source of much of our inhumanity to each other.

They are what they are. It is men who need reformation in their approach to them. They have forgotten, probably in the service of them posturing as Mr Nice Guy, that they are dealing with an elemental force which is itself a serious beneficiary of being properly managed. Women have been exploited against their own interest.

I'm sorry vik. You seem to want to bring an end to conversation. No labels. No advice.

Everybody to find their own way. No leadership.

Anybody who offers advice, particularly that you don't like, is simply labelled, judgmentally, a Svengali. Bullshit.

I will say what is folly. If you haven't the nerve and wish to be all things to all people that's your affair and not mine.

It was folly what Queenie did. If she doesn't like me for saying that I'm not about to put what I think are her best interests second to her approving of me. Or you. Or anybody else.

But again, think about when I was coming of age as compared to when PQ is coming of age (this very moment).
very different times in terms of socialization and conditioning and what and how things are appropriate to be communicated and to whom.

We were all invited to be a judge when Queenie put the post up. Some posters approved. It's odd you haven't addressed your strictures to them. Approving is just as much judging as is disapproving.
I think you are spouting rubbish and dangerous rubbish.

I'm not surprised you arrived at this conclusion, as you appear to want to ignore anything that doesn't meet your view.

Moral lables have never been necessary to conversation.

If I say "you are judgemental', then that is label, and a judgement of you. If I say "that is judgemental' that is a judgement of the behaviour your are exihibiting.

Judgement differs from advice through it's wording, it's intention, and the reason for it being said.

I will say what is folly. If you haven't the nerve and wish to be all things to all people that's your affair and not mine.

I would have attacked you by (though it does appear you feel attacked, which is understandable), felt the need to be rude, to label, to put you down or some similar.

This is the issue - it appears you have little to no care for Queenies best interests, and everything to do with your own. Perhaps I am wrong, but that is how it appears to me.