BABY STOMPED TO DEATH; BYSTANDERS OBEY GUN LAWS

It appears, Setanta, that your disgust is well deserved.

Could you pass over one of those meatloaf sammiches?

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parados wrote:

You still haven't explained why children are beaten to death in Alaska.
How is that possible since they allow anyone to carry a gun?

Of kors it kud be ur filosfy is flaud

If this factual pattern were replicated
in Alaska, in all probability, the stomping attack on the baby
in front of witnesses wud have been ended much sooner.
There is a lot less chance that the stomper
cud have shoved away people who objected to baby stomping
and that thay 'd have done what the police did to the stomper, only much SOONER.

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if yall stop poking the bee hive, the swarm WILL go away.. Laughing

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This is true.

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shewolfnm wrote:

if yall stop poking the bee hive, the swarm WILL go away..

r U sure? Du U hav proof?

Laughing

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stop it

Laughing

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The following is a thought experiment:

I will tweak the factual pattern a little
to draw ideological lines with more stark clarity:

Imagine the following:

All posters on this thread are present
in California, arriving upon the scene of the baby stomping,
as well as the other witnesses, all of whom get shoved away
by the stomper, who resumes stomping on the juvenile victim.

The child calls out plaintively for help; he extends his arms toward u.

Each of u sees a .45 caliber revolver lying upon a table.
U see that its cylinder is fully loaded. It looks like its in good condition.

From the posts that have been contributed
to this thread, I surmise that each of u will leave
the gun there undisturbed; maybe u will distribute popcorn n Pepsi
among the witnesses, as u all simultaneously obey the California anti-gun laws.

I believe that my assessment of each of u is accurate,
and, by passive omission,
the baby will be sacrificed upon the alter of gun control.

THAT is what each of u will do: NOTHING BUT WATCH,
eat the popcorn and be happy that all of the gun control laws were obeyed.

Am I right ?

OF COURSE, I 'm RIGHT !!!

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Dave, why do you need a firearm to stop wrongdoing?

Is there no other means...

RH

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Rockhead wrote:

Dave, why do you need a firearm to stop wrongdoing?

Is there no other means...

RH

In this case there was no other means.
Use of a gun stopped him, but too late.
(When seconds count, the police are only a few minutes away.)
The witnesses were all repelled by shoving them away.

Is there a reason
that a gun shud not be used to stop him ?
Like California 's anti-gun laws ?

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Dave, this is not your first case.

I'll repeat the question.

Dave, why do you need a firearm to stop wrongdoing?

RH

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I would have picked up the gun and used it- yes- on any adult who was obviously harming a child in such a manner.

And if I had been the mother of that child, I'd have hoped that if I hadn't been there that someone else would have picked up the gun and used it to help increase the chances for my child's survival (maybe he'd have only been kicked or stomped once or twice instead of however many multiple times he was).

And if no one had a gun, and I was pushed or shoved aside and watched as other people were pushed and shoved aside as this baby had his organs ruptured and his head stoved in - yes- I'd have wished that I had a gun to stop it...not a rock or a tire iron or even a knife - personally- if I had been there -knowing that I'd have felt compelled to stop a large psychotic man from hurting a small defenseless child, and being a small woman who is about the size that most twelve year old girls are these days - I'd have preferred to have had a gun to stop him.

I wished I'd had a gun with me the other night. I was walking my dog and this guy was fishing off the bridge. He started mumbling something about something in the water. He asked me to come over to the railing to look. There was something about him....I told him I didn't know what he was talking about but that I was in a hurry. He asked me how old my dog was and did she bite. Stupidly, I said, 'No - she's friendly- why would you think she would bite?' He continued, 'She doesn't bite - even when threatened? How old is she?' all the while advancing toward me. I said,'Well she's never really been threatened, so I don't know.' He said, 'Well, let me try her out then.'
At this point, I was like, 'Okay he's psycho - let me get the hell out of here' so I said,' Yeah - as I said, we're in a hurry - see ya later,' and started booking it out of there (I was in the freaking woods alone with a weirdo/possible psycho).
He said, 'Yeah - you probably want to try to get home before dark - right?'

I just turned and started running down the path. I was scared shitless. If he'd wanted to do something to me - I was dead meat. I guess he decided he didn't want to find out if Pearl bit. And maybe he wouldn't have done anything at all - but the point is - I realized I was in a bad situation with no way to help myself should he make the decision to hurt me. He was a big guy - and the whole time I was running, all I could picture was my daughter at home waiting for me, and finally coming to find me and running into him on that path.

I did - I wished I had a gun - not to use against him but just to make me know I was safe. I'll never take that walk alone again...sad...and I won't buy a gun either because those instances have been few and far between in my life.

But yes - this situation with this toddler is another one in which I agree- it would have been a better ending if someone had had a gun to use against this guy. Even if it was too late - I'd have been happier having shot the guy than standing there helplessly watching him beat a baby to death.

And I don't like guns - I just love babies.
And I'm sure these people who were put in this situation will never forget the sense of helplessness and frustration they endured for the rest of their lives. A gun in this situation would have saved a lot of people a lot of pain. Particularly this child.

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Rockhead wrote:

Dave, this is not your first case. [ ??? ]

I'll repeat the question.

Dave, why do you need a firearm to stop wrongdoing?

RH

Firearms are ofen useful tools
in controlling predatory emergencies (like this one).

In such situations as this, time is of the essence
and swifty ending the attack may well be critically important
to preserving the victim's life. In fact, use of a firearm DID bring
the attack to an end, but this happened too late.

Judging from the fact that none of the witnesses used a firearm
to defend the baby, I infer that thay did not have one present,
in full compliance with California 's victim disarmament laws.

Futile attempts, without a firearm
( the correct tool for the job of ending a predatory attack )
were generated by the witnesses, unsuccessfully.
An attempt to end the attack
WITH a firearm was immediately and 100% successful.
Q.E.D.

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aidan wrote:

I would have picked up the gun and used it- yes- on any adult who was
obviously harming a child in such a manner.

And if I had been the mother of that child, I'd have hoped that if I hadn't
been there that someone else would have picked up the gun and used it
to help increase the chances for my child's survival (maybe he'd have
only been kicked or stomped once or twice instead of however many
multiple times he was).

And if no one had a gun, and I was pushed or shoved aside and watched
as other people were pushed and shoved aside as this baby had his organs
ruptured and his head stoved in - yes- I'd have wished that I had a gun
to stop it...not a rock or a tire iron or even a knife - personally- if I had
been there -knowing that I'd have felt compelled to stop a large psychotic
man from hurting a small defenseless child, and being a small woman
who is about the size that most twelve year old girls are these days -
I'd have preferred to have had a gun to stop him.

I wished I'd had a gun with me the other night.

A LadySmith wud suit u well http://www.womenandguns.com/wfn/ladysmith.html

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I was walking my dog and this guy was fishing off the bridge.
He started mumbling something about something in the water.
He asked me to come over to the railing to look. There was something about him....
I told him I didn't know what he was talking about but that I was in a hurry.
He asked me how old my dog was and did she bite. Stupidly, I said, 'No
- she's friendly- why would you think she would bite?' He continued,
'She doesn't bite - even when threatened? How old is she?' all the while advancing
toward me. I said,'Well she's never really been threatened, so I don't know.'
He said, 'Well, let me try her out then.'

At this point, I was like, 'Okay he's psycho - let me get the hell out of here'
so I said,' Yeah - as I said, we're in a hurry - see ya later,' and started
booking it out of there (I was in the freaking woods alone with a weirdo/possible psycho).
He said, 'Yeah - you probably want to try to get home before dark - right?'

I just turned and started running down the path. I was scared shitless.
If he'd wanted to do something to me - I was dead meat. I guess he
decided he didn't want to find out if Pearl bit. And maybe he wouldn't
have done anything at all - but the point is - I realized I was in a bad situation
with no way to help myself should he make the decision to hurt me.
He was a big guy - and the whole time I was running, all I could picture
was my daughter at home waiting for me, and finally coming to find me
and running into him on that path.

I did - I wished I had a gun - not to use against him but just to make me know
I was safe.

Its better to HAVE a gun and not NEED it
than to NEED a gun and not HAVE it.

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I'll never take that walk alone again...sad...and I won't buy a gun either
because those instances have been few and far between in my life.

But yes - this situation with this toddler is another one in which I agree-
it would have been a better ending if someone had had a gun to use
against this guy. Even if it was too late - I'd have been happier having shot
the guy than standing there helplessly watching him beat a baby to death.

The police appear to have taken a similar point of vu.

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And I don't like guns - I just love babies.
And I'm sure these people who were put in this situation will never forget
the sense of helplessness and frustration they endured for the rest of their lives.
A gun in this situation would have saved a lot of people a lot of pain. Particularly this child.

Yeah; that 's what guns are for.

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I notice that voting in the poll
is 2 to 1 in favor of protecting the stomper.

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I agree had people been armed, none of this would have happened. He could have shot the child and thrown the body in the woods. Much more efficient and not inconveniencing others at all.

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