Black Kids Called Monkeys, Obama Delegate Quits

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

snood wrote:

real life wrote:

Is there one standard of permissible speech if you are black, and another if you are white?

Factor in that most hard rap is bought by teenage whites, then please continue leading Sherlock.

so are cds by RaHoWa. so what's yer point, dude?

That real life was framing the consumption of gangsta rap's offensive lyrics as a question about black people, when in reality it's mostly white kids who buy it.

nimh wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

snood wrote:

real life wrote:

Is there one standard of permissible speech if you are black, and another if you are white?

Factor in that most hard rap is bought by teenage whites, then please continue leading Sherlock.

so are cds by RaHoWa. so what's yer point, dude?

That real life was framing the consumption of gangsta rap's offensive lyrics as a question about black people, when in reality it's mostly white kids who buy it.

Considering that African-Americans make up 10% of the US population, it shouldn't be too much of a surprise that wjites buy more should it?

Who buys hip-hop?

nimh wrote:

That real life was framing the consumption of gangsta rap's offensive lyrics as a question about black people, when in reality it's mostly white kids who buy it.

Considering that African-Americans make up 10% of the US population, it shouldn't be too much of a surprise that wjites buy more

Who buys hip-hop?

it also depends, so I'm told by all my hip friends who are kind enough to keep this old bear in the loop.... that it depends on whether it's with an er or an a.

It's because of what the word represents. I am certainly not comfortable saying "the N word", but I see no harm in members of the black community saying it. They have taken ownership of it and made it not so threatening.

Imagine you are a black guy living in the south and 6 white guys come and say "Hey nigger, where ya going?" That's certainly a very threatening sutuation as opposed to a black guy in East St. Louis having 6 black guys come and say "Hey nigger, where ya going?"

It's a connotation that has many meanings and it's just not something us white folk should be using. How the folks in the black community use it is up to them.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

frankly it says something to me about obama's campaign that they did not recognize these ideas and chose to instead tell the delegate to take a hike.

Maybe they did, but were just scared. There's such hysteria in the media about anything either candidate can be remotely associated with nowadays, I guess they just wanted to play it safe, even if that wasnt the fair thing to do.

hey nimh! gewunsch alles goot darbei (sic)

that's a reasonable assessment. however shouldn't there be some sense of loyalty to the delegate? i mean that if she was a racist and alla that she would hardly be supporting obama, right ?

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

and where is his voice in all of this ??

sorry. that's not the kinda change i can believe in.

Ummm... we're talking about some kind of local delegates. There's literally hundreds of them in dozens of states. You seriously think it's Obama's job to personally attend to any local spat that involves any one of them?

not generally, but in this case it would have been a very visible representation of barak's thing about erasing the color boundries for one thing. and again, showing loyalty to his supporting delegate.


....This part sounds to me like you're just happy to find a stick to beat the dog with.

(The above animal-related metaphor implies no racial, ethnic, regional, gender or age-related insult... :wink: )
excuuusseee me ??? are you calling barak obama a dog???? you racist !!!!!

nope. though i lean more towards hillary, i don't have any particular bones to pick with obama. as i mentioned when i first started posting again, my problem is not with obama, but the rhetoric of some of his supporters.

in any case, since i'm registered libertarian, i was unable to vote for either one in the cali primary.

Again, DID anyone tell her to take a hike?

Suburban Obama delegate quits over 'divisive' remark
CARPENTERSVILLE | Says when she called black kids 'monkeys,' she was asking them to get out of tree

BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Political Reporter/[email protected]

Moving to nip in the bud some potential bad press, White House hopeful Barack Obama's campaign persuaded a delegate to step down after she was ticketed for calling her neighbor's African-American children "monkeys."

this is from thew thread's original post by miller;

Board member changes her mind about resigning as a Democratic convention backer

By Ray Quintanilla and John McCormick | Tribune reporters
April 10, 2008


Carpentersville Trustee Linda Ramirez Sliwinski, who sparked a controversy by calling two children playing in an African-American neighbor's tree "monkeys," will remain a Democratic convention delegate backing U.S. Sen. Barack Obama for president, a turnabout from earlier in the week.

"Ms. Ramirez Sliwinski is an elected delegate and we respect her decision to represent the campaign at the convention," Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said in a statement issued Wednesday.

"It is clear that the incident was a misunderstanding," he said.

Ramirez Sliwinski did not return phone calls seeking comment. But Carpentersville Village President Bill Sarto, a key ally on the Village Board, said she told him Wednesday that she had changed her mind about resigning as a delegate to this summer's Democratic National Convention.

"She reconsidered whether that incident warranted her giving up an elected seat," said Sarto, who is also an Obama supporter.

Ramirez Sliwinski has vowed to fight the ticket.

Ramirez Sliwinski, the village's sole Hispanic trustee, has said she did not mean to offend her neighbors.

McGentrix wrote:

nimh wrote:

That real life was framing the consumption of gangsta rap's offensive lyrics as a question about black people, when in reality it's mostly white kids who buy it.

Considering that African-Americans make up 10% of the US population, it shouldn't be too much of a surprise that wjites buy more

Right, exactly. Hence Snood's/my point.

And wholly agreed on your later post.

Actually, if you combine the two news reports it looks a bit like she was asked to step down and declined and her decision is being "respected".

It may be difficult to tease out the truth of all of it.

It may be difficult to tease out the truth of all of it.

"I respect your decision" is such an interesting phrase.