Michelle Obama has hated America for over 40 years?

So, according to you, I suppose I'm not a good American for saying I haven't been proud of my country every day of my life?

And again to clarify, she didn't say she hadn't been proud of her country "every day" of her life ... she said she was proud of her country "for the first time in her adult lifetime," because some folks had decided to vote for her husband.

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So, according to you, I suppose I'm not a good American for saying I haven't been proud of my country every day of my life?

I didn't say that, and I'm not sure how you extrapolated that from what I did say.

But if you were running for first lady, you'd be a flippin embarrassment ... that I did say.

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And again to clarify, she didn't say she hadn't been proud of her country "every day" of her life ... she said she was proud of her country "for the first time in her adult lifetime," because some folks had decided to vote for her husband.

Nice try Tico.. Why don't you post her actual words instead of your interpretation of some of them.




For someone that wanted to "clarify" why did you just do what you did?

"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."

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John Podhoretz - 02.18.2008 - 17:27

So. Tico..

Is there a difference between being really proud for the first time in your adult life and being proud for the first time in your adult life?

Is there a difference? If there is a difference then why did you leave out the word "really"?

. Kinda puts off the practicing Christians as well, they thinking that they have plenty of soul.

Give the woman a break, ...

hawkeye10 wrote:

. Kinda puts off the practicing Christians as well, they thinking that they have plenty of soul.

Huh?

Ticomaya wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

. Kinda puts off the practicing Christians as well, they thinking that they have plenty of soul.

Huh?

Talking to Christians about soul in the public space is very dicey, because they think this is a matter for the church. Politicians are supposed to stick to promoting Christian values (AKA pushing Christian values onto the rest of us).

B Obama talks about hope all of the time, B Clinton used to do it as well, that's usually fine. But when you start talking about the American spirit you, if you are running for office, need to be very careful. This is too close to talking about soul. M Obama got too close to talking about soul. The reaction from practicing Christians will be "stay in your lane, that is not your area" The commentators who are talking about obama playing the Messiah shows how close to the edge he is running. People who are already on guard for Obama talking about soul caught M Obama going over the line and jumped all over her. She then pulled back.

I appreciate your view, I just don't think you're correct. I don't think this has anything to do with Christian values or "soul."

What does this have to do with Michelle Obama?

Let's take it from the horses mouth then....William Kristol Speaking derisively about M Obama's comments

"She simply misspoke," he said. "What she was referring to was [that] this was the first time she has been proud of politics in America.

parados wrote:

So. Tico..

Is there a difference between being really proud for the first time in your adult life and being proud for the first time in your adult life?

Yes, but in terms of the damage she did to her husband's campaign, I don't think it's that big of a distinction.

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Is there a difference? If there is a difference then why did you leave out the word "really"?

I didn't leave it out previously, as you can see from my earlier link.

But I'd like to hear your spin on her words, parados. Tell me what she really meant ... and, btw ... I hope you can do a better job than she did in her effort to "clarify." Apparently, she's proud of her husband ... and the bar moves ... "It moves!" ... but she didn't really explain what she meant to a degree that would alter my take.

So spin away ...

Ticomaya wrote:

parados wrote:

So. Tico..

Is there a difference between being really proud for the first time in your adult life and being proud for the first time in your adult life?

Yes, but in terms of the damage she did to her husband's campaign, I don't think it's that big of a distinction.

It isn't a big distinction for those willing to ignore her actual words so they can attack her. By promoting that spin you are no better than they are.

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Is there a difference? If there is a difference then why did you leave out the word "really"?

I didn't leave it out previously, as you can see from my earlier link.

Oh, so your defense is, "I didn't spin it every time" Just the time you were called on it. It doesn't change the fact that you left out an important word in finding meaning when you related what she had said.

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But I'd like to hear your spin on her words, parados. Tell me what she really meant ... and, btw ... I hope you can do a better job than she did in her effort to "clarify." Apparently, she's proud of her husband ... and the bar moves ... "It moves!" ... but she didn't really explain what she meant to a degree that would alter my take.

What spin?

Can someone ever be proud without being "really proud"? Yes, you agree that is possible. Anyone that simply applies the English language would say "yes."

If someone is NOT "really proud" does it mean they hate the object of their lack of being "really proud?" No. Yet you want to come on a thread using the word "hate" and leave out relevent words when discussing what she actually said. I would say such action does damage to your reputation but then your reputation isn't really stellar to begin with.

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So spin away ...

Using her words is hardly spin. One only needs to look at ALL her words to find meaning. Leaving out some of her words in some instances would be spin. You are the one spinning Tico. Not me.