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Michelle Obama has hated America for over 40 years?

 
 
Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2008 07:00 pm
" OURS IS THE ONLY COUNTRY
deliberately
FOUNDED
ON A GOOD IDEA
-------------------------- John Gunther

Let the soup get some solt.
And let the non persons die decently without soup
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 01:15 am
A Brief for Whitey
by Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted: 03/21/2008

How would he pull it off? I wondered.

How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?

How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about "the U.S. of K.K.K. America," and howled, "God damn America!"

My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.

Yes, Barack agreed, Wright's statements were "controversial," and "divisive," and "racially charged," reflecting a "distorted view of America."

But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.

Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.

The "white community," said Barack, must start "acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination -- and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past -- are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds ... ."

And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?

The "white community" must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with "ladders of opportunity" that were "unavailable" to Barack's and the Rev. Wright's generations.

What is wrong with Barack's prognosis and Barack's cure?

Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, "everybody but the rioters themselves."

Was "white racism" really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said -- that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.

Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Barack talks about new "ladders of opportunity" for blacks.

Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for "deserving" white kids.

Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 03:47 pm
I heard Obamas speech the other night and it was nothing like what Pat portrays it as. Buchanan has always been a well versed "berserker" for Conservative causes. Hes the first to set his hair on fire and argue from clever but incorrect points of logic. Hes smart but often completely all wet. This is another time when thats so.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 04:50 pm
farmerman wrote:
I heard Obamas speech the other night and it was nothing like what Pat portrays it as. Buchanan has always been a well versed "berserker" for Conservative causes. Hes the first to set his hair on fire and argue from clever but incorrect points of logic. Hes smart but often completely all wet. This is another time when thats so.


Has anyone taken Buchanan seriously this century??
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 05:25 pm
hawkeye10 wrote:
farmerman wrote:
I heard Obamas speech the other night and it was nothing like what Pat portrays it as. Buchanan has always been a well versed "berserker" for Conservative causes. Hes the first to set his hair on fire and argue from clever but incorrect points of logic. Hes smart but often completely all wet. This is another time when thats so.


Has anyone taken Buchanan seriously this century??
Mr Rex Red
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 05:29 pm
I've avoided checking this thread. Maybe tomorrow.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2008 12:44 pm
I wish there wasn't so much religious turmoil. I wonder why we can't all just get along. I should respect Rex's version of christianity, even if I find it odd that hatred so often sits at the core of christ's message for him. And he should be a bit more open-minded that the theology of my mennonite tradition holds that Sodom was a holiday resort.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2008 12:50 pm
farmerman wrote:
I heard Obamas speech the other night and it was nothing like what Pat portrays it as. Buchanan has always been a well versed "berserker" for Conservative causes. Hes the first to set his hair on fire and argue from clever but incorrect points of logic. Hes smart but often completely all wet. This is another time when thats so.


So are you saying that nothing in the Buchanan piece is true?
Are you saying its all lies, or is there any truth (as you see it) in what he wrote?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2008 12:58 pm
In this case Buchanan takes items like
1Obama didnt throw Wright under the bus, instead he compared Wrights generation with today. Buchanan seems to have forgotten Swlma, or the Jim Crow laws, lynching s into the 50's , poll taxes, and literacy tests to vote. To ignore that is what Durant said about ignoring the lessons of history
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2008 01:32 pm
mysteryman

Much of what Buchanan said is spot on. Instead of blaming all the ills that the black communities experience upon the "Typical White" ,Obama's words. They should look within and clean up their own house.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2008 01:35 pm
au1929 wrote:
mysteryman

Much of what Buchanan said is spot on. Instead of blaming all the ills that the black communities experience upon the "Typical White" ,Obama's words. They should look within and clean up their own house.


I agree, but saying so publicly automatically makes me a racist.
That is the entire problem.
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2008 01:43 pm
farmerman wrote:
In this case Buchanan takes items like
1Obama didnt throw Wright under the bus, instead he compared Wrights generation with today. Buchanan seems to have forgotten Swlma, or the Jim Crow laws, lynching s into the 50's , poll taxes, and literacy tests to vote. To ignore that is what Durant said about ignoring the lessons of history[/quote

Try as I might I can not remember any Jim Crow laws, lynching or poll taxes or literacy test to vote in NYCity or for that matter in most states in the US.
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2008 01:59 pm
MM
Racism is in the eyes of the beholder. For instance if 80 to 90 % of whites had voted for the white candidate the howl of racism would have been heard across the land. However when 80/90% of the blacks voted for the black candidate not one word was said. Why?
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eoe
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2008 02:07 pm
Oh please. For how many centuries now have whites voted for the white candidate?
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2008 06:11 pm
<crickets>
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 06:28 pm
The hospital in Annapolis Maryland didn't allow black patients to be in the same rooms as the white patients even in 1963. That's a shameful nugget I picked up about 5 years ago when an African-American nurse retired and the newspaper mentioned how the hospital had white only wings and she worked only in the black-only wings when she started in 1963. I don't know when that practice stopped but I know it wasn't that way when I received treatment there in 1978.

Folks here in Maryland are not always proud of the Eastern Shore and it's foot-dragging when it comes to fully integrated communities, clubs, churches, you name it. And I suppose I don't need to remind anyone that the year is 2008. If you did not grow up or live in an area that was bitterly racist, it's hard to believe racism exists. I really don't think I know many racists, but every once in a while someone can flabbergast me with a remark so cruel, stupid and hateful it makes me very sad for all of us.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 08:39 am
Michelle LaVaughn Robinson AKA Michelle Obama (Twilight Zone)

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Reply to: [email protected]
Date: 2008-04-07, 8:01PM EDT


In her senior thesis at Princeton, Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama stated that America was a nation founded on "crime and hatred". Moreover, she stated that whites in America were "ineradicably racist". The 1985 thesis, titled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community" was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.

Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to "Whites at Princeton , it often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first..." However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, "If those "Whites at Princeton " really saw Michelle as one who always would "be Black first," it seems that she gave them that impression".

Most alarming is Michele Obama's use of the terms "separationist" and "integrationist" when describing the views of black people.

Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a "separationist" view of race.

"By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight."

Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her "further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant."

Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.

Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America , but she elevates black over white in her world.



Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:

"There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost. "

What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she's first lady that will elevate black over white in America ?

The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.

"Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments."



The conclusion of her thesis is alarming.

Michelle Obama's poll of black alumni concludes that other black students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common American culture more than they value the color of their skin. "I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility."

Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire? Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input.

Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted with one another.

The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama's thoughts and world view seen through a race-based prism.

This is a very divisive view for a potential first lady that would do untold damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama administration.



Michelle Obama's intellectually refined racism should give American's a pause for deep concern.

Now maybe she's changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to grind with America . Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will. But it shouldn't.

FYI:

I am not a supporter of any of the candidates for president. In fact, they all leave a bad taste in my mouth. However, I am definitely sick of the main stream media (MSM) feeding us all this crap about Obama being an agent of change.

Has anyone stopped to think what kind of change; really?

PS: We paid for her scholarship.



If you do not think, she will not persuade her husband, think again!!!
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 03:58 pm
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/04/12/roommate_0413.html


Georgian recalls rooming with Michelle Obama

By BRIAN FEAGANS

Published on: 04/13/08

Catherine Donnelly shopped at Kmart, settled into her dorm room and soaked up the Gothic stone buildings where, over the next four years, she would grow into her own woman.

But her first day at Princeton held a surprise, too. And Donnelly knew it would mean confronting the past.

She walked into the historic Nassau Inn that evening and delivered the news to her mother, Alice Brown. "I was horrified," recalled Brown, who had driven her daughter up from New Orleans. Brown stormed down to the campus housing office and demanded Donnelly be moved to another room.

The reason: One of her roommates was black.

"I told them we weren't used to living with black people ?- Catherine is from the South," Brown said. "They probably thought I was crazy."

Today both Donnelly, an Atlanta attorney, and Brown, a retired schoolteacher living in the North Carolina mountains, look back at that time with regret. Like many Americans, they've built new perceptions of race on top of a foundation cracked by prejudices past ?- and present. Yet they rarely speak of the subject.

Barack Obama's run for president changed that. When the Democratic senator from Illinois invited more dialogue on race last month, Donnelly and Brown, both lifetime Republicans, were ready.

But their willingness to talk isn't a response to the candidate born to a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya. It's more about Obama's wife, Michelle.

She's that roommate from a quarter century ago.


Shock to the stereotype

The acceptance letter from the Ivy Leagues was really the culmination of two peoples' hard work. "My mother was thrilled," Donnelly jokes, that she got into Princeton.

Divorced and living paycheck to paycheck, Brown found a way to get her only child into New Orleans' elite Isidore Newman School: She taught 8th-grade science there. They were a mother-and-daughter team, then with the surname Rodrigue.

Donnelly, now 44, captained the basketball and volleyball teams. She was the homecoming queen. And she racked up science and math awards, often with the help of her mother.

But the "Three R's" weren't the only thing Donnelly learned from an early age. There was a fourth one. Her mother and grandmother filled her head with racist stereotypes, portraying African-Americans as prone to crime, uneducated and, at times, people to be feared.

Brown, 71, explains that she was raised to think that way. She recalls hearing her grandfather, a sheriff in the North Carolina mountains, brag about running black visitors out of the county before nightfall. And Brown's parents held on to the n-word like a family heirloom.

In fact, upon learning that her daughter had a black roommate at Princeton, Brown's first call was to her own mother. Her suggestion: yank Donnelly out of school.


Girl was likable, but black

The fourth-floor room had three beds, three desks and space for little else. The ceiling sloped in concert with the roof, creating a cramped perch atop the upper crust of American education.

Quick-witted and nearly 6 feet tall, Michelle Robinson had no problem filling the room, Donnelly recalls. The future Michelle Obama, from Chicago's Southside, would playfully tease the third roommate, who was white. Obama's long fingers still narrate stories in Donnelly's mind. "From the minute we met," she says, "I liked her."

Donnelly doesn't think Obama ever picked up on her mother's behind-the-scenes maneuvering. She remembers nothing but friendly words. Only now, looking back, does she see the wall between them.

Donnelly was surprised to find something familiar - segregation - alive and well on a prestigious campus in the Northeast. The university's private eating clubs, host to frat-style parties, were largely white. The social scene for many minority students, including Obama, revolved around an activity building called the Third World Center.

When Obama began hanging out with other black students on campus, Donnelly never thought to join them. "Here was a really smart black woman who I found charming, interesting and funny," Donnelly says with disappointment. "Just by virtue of having different color skin, we weren't going to be friends."

Other than confirming that Donnelly was her freshman roommate, Michelle Obama declined, through a campaign spokeswoman, to comment for this story. Her senior thesis, however, delved into the experience of black alumni at Princeton and provides some insight into her mind-set at the time.

In the introduction, Obama wrote that Princeton made her more aware of her "Blackness" than ever before. "No matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong," she wrote. "Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second."

Donnelly, meanwhile, was struggling with her own identity. She came out that first semester, chopped off her hair and partied with other lesbians on campus. Soon she, too, learned what it feels like to be part of the "other" group, to be seen as a student second.

Donnelly said she and Obama had established separate circles of friends by second semester. That's when another room - the one her mother had requested - opened up. By then, it just made sense to trade cramped quarters for roomier ones.

Donnelly doesn't remember having another meaningful exchange with Obama. She graduated with a psychology major in 1985 and forgot all about that tall roommate from Chicago.


'I was inspired .... I was envious'

More than two decades passed, and Donnelly, who normally doesn't care much for politics, found herself intrigued by one of the Democrats running for president. She was a little surprised to hear her mother liked Barack Obama, too. Brown had never voted for a Democrat. But she's a sucker for Harvard grads, especially eloquent ones.

"He thinks well," Brown said recently, though she and Donnelly are still undecided voters. "He seems to be a thoughtful person. He considers everything."

When Donnelly first saw Obama's wife on TV, she was struck by how tall and graceful she looked. Then she studied her more closely. Michelle Obama looked so familiar, down to those long fingers. Could that be Michelle Robinson?

A Google search gave Donnelly the answer. Obama was far more than a first-lady hopeful. She had gone to Harvard Law School, had been an associate dean at the University of Chicago and rose to vice president at the University of Chicago Hospitals. Like Donnelly, she was mother to two children.

"I was inspired," she says. "I was amazed. And I was envious of all she had accomplished."

Donnelly called her mother, who in turn phoned the friend who had traveled with her to Princeton all those years ago. The friends had stayed up that night calling everyone they knew with a connection to the university, hoping to get Catherine moved. "We thought this is so ironic," Brown says. "[Obama] could be the first lady, and here we wanted to get my child out of her influence."


Some empathy for lingering anger

As her 2- and 5-year-old boys play on the front porch, Donnelly flips through a photo album of her own childhood. Brown, in Atlanta for her monthly hair appointment, looks over her daughter's shoulder.

"There we are," Brown says, "at your graduation."

In the photo, Donnelly clutches a bouquet in front of her white dress, smiling next to her mother and her grandmother.

The story of race in America is one of generations: what's passed on, what isn't and the friction between the two.

When Brown heard about Barack Obama's former pastor ?- his angry rants against white America ?- she didn't like it. But she understood. "If I had been treated the same way blacks have been treated," she says, "I'd be resentful, too."

It was Donnelly, however, who understood Obama's response: "The profound mistake of Reverend Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It's that he spoke as if our society was static."

Society changed, and Donnelly has seen her mother nudged along with it. Says Brown: "It's become politically incorrect to talk about black people in a negative way. It's like smoking."

Brown quit smoking in 1996. She's still working on the other.

Brown says she wouldn't mind if her child or grandchild roomed with a black person today. But she's far from colorblind. "Where I draw the line is interracial marriage," Brown says. "That I can't quite deal with."

She holds firm to the belief that African-Americans don't take enough responsibility. "Bill Cosby says the same thing," she says. "Get off your rear end and work hard and improve yourself."

Donnelly has more empathy. Her junior year psychology paper on affirmative action concluded that the effects of "covert, deep-rooted prejudice" are enduring. And she generally agrees with what Barack Obama said last month: "The disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to the inequities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of Jim Crow."

Living as a gay woman has made Donnelly far more aware of what it's like to be judged by a trait beyond your control. "Being gay is such a small part of who I am."

Now she wishes she had reached across racial lines at Princeton. "I don't think I ever set foot in the Third World Center," she says of the popular hangout for minority students. "It's like this mystical place."

Since then, Donnelly has worked and socialized with African-Americans. Yet she hasn't grown close to any of them. "I've just never had an opportunity," she says, "to have a good friend who was black."

"You did with Michelle," Brown snaps.

Donnelly rolls her eyes.

She believes the cycle of racism can be stopped.

Donnelly turns the pages in the photo album to a picture of an African-American boy standing next to her at school back in New Orleans. "He and a white guy and I would fashion ourselves after the Mod Squad," she says. "We liked to think of ourselves as a little club."

The friendship started in fifth or sixth grade. And Donnelly sees it as evidence that children have the right instincts.

Truth is, many paths to the future start with the past. Donnelly thought she'd left that Princeton dorm room for good. Then those long fingers from the campaign trail waved her back inside. At first, she saw only herself and two roommates.

Now she sees her children and Obama's children waking up in those beds, in a room with no barriers.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2008 06:40 am
eoe wrote:
Oh please. For how many centuries now have whites voted for the white candidate?


Probably the same length that blacks have voted for the white candidate. Hasn't really been a lot of alternatives have there?

now, have an answer to au1929's question?
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eoe
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2008 08:43 am
Yeah, I have an answer. hmmm...let's see. Ms. Obama's senior thesis was written in 1985, when she was about 20 or 21, having completed four years of education in a predominantly white institution, starting out on Day 1 with a student almost getting snatched out of the school rather than sharing a room with her? And they'd like to think that she didn't know what was going on?

Gee, I wonder where Michelle got such ridiculous ideas as separate black and white societies in America?

What many of you people fail to understand is, these experiences are shared by many African-Americans and the conclusions drawn from them are commonplace. There are no chips on our shoulders or lingering resentments. We can't afford that. It is what it is. Facts. Based on personal experience which many of you can't even imagine. I don't want to delve into my own personal trove of experiences being a "first", but I've certainly had my share.

There are just some aspects of life amongst African-Americans and other "minorities" of all classes that many whites will never understand. And all of the discussion and conversation in the world won't help that. And it's not only because you can't understand it but you simply chose not to.

Now I'm sure you'll flip this around and accuse me of throwing up the "you just don't understand" line as a deflection but it is what it is. Sa la vie.

I will say though that most people manage to grow and evolve throughout their lives and the way you view the world at 40 may be a tad bit different than at 21. But now I guess I'm just making up excuses...
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