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Softener resin escaping

 
 
hobbs
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 07:09 pm
Gary your making me nuts! (short trip) Two months ago you gave me all the reasons post fill was bad and pre fill was good, now your recommending post fill?
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Zozzie
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 07:47 pm
Gary Slusser wrote:
You have a 2.7 gpm DLFC. Usually that is used in a 1.5 cuft and you have a 9" x 48" tank which is for a 1.0 cuft softener.

You're a genius. The guy told me I had a DLFC of (and I quote) "3.5 to 4" and he said it was put in the bag by the maker (maker of what he didn't say). There is no such size in my manual. I just went and took the DLFC washer out and it says at its top "027" and at its bottom "26". There is a part number V3162-027 listed in my manual.

So what DLFC should I have for this 0948 resin tank?

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To get 30,000, you need 15 lbs of salt. Ten lbs would get you 25.5k. You don't need and shouldn't want either. That's terrible salt efficiency.

Does that mean it would have too much water treatment capability for just two of us?

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With two people: Settings should be -
DLFC - is 2.7
4.0 lbs of salt per regeneration.
Capacity - 13,000
Calendar override day 8
Post fill brine tank.
Downflow.
Auto regeneration. (2am)
City water with 13 grains of hardness.
That will put 1000 gals on the meter. It will regenerate on average every 8 days. That's optimal.

Okey dokey. I can change those settings.

I don't understand the regeneration business. This is what I think the manual says - when I run it on Auto, it will regenerate when, in this case, 1000gals is used. If we don't use 1000gals in 8 days it will regenerate anyway. Why does it do this?

Thnaks for the info Gary.
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justalurker
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 09:13 pm
Zozzie wrote:
This is what I think the manual says - when I run it on Auto, it will regenerate when, in this case, 1000gals is used. If we don't use 1000gals in 8 days it will regenerate anyway. Why does it do this?


If the calendar override is set at "8" and the softened water supply is exhausted before 8 days then the softener will regenerate.

If there is still softened water available at the 8 day mark the softener will regenerate. The calendar override overrides the gallons remaining count and regenerates. That's what the calendar override does.
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Zozzie
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 08:48 am
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If the calendar override is set at "8" and the softened water supply is exhausted before 8 days then the softener will regenerate.

Ok I'm with ya there. I understand.

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If there is still softened water available at the 8 day mark the softener will regenerate. The calendar override overrides the gallons remaining count and regenerates. That's what the calendar override does.

This is the one I don't understand. If there are gallons still left and the 8-day mark arrives, why do they want it to regenerate?
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justalurker
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 10:37 am
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If there is still softened water available at the 8 day mark the softener will regenerate. The calendar override overrides the gallons remaining count and regenerates. That's what the calendar override does.


Zozzie wrote:
This is the one I don't understand. If there are gallons still left and the 8-day mark arrives, why do they want it to regenerate?


If your softener is setup and sized correctly and you have consistent water usage then you may never experience a calendar override initiated regeneration.

Some people have incorrectly sized softeners or softeners that are not setup correctly and may regenerate at longer intervals such as two weeks.

There are varying opinions as to how long a softener should go before regeneration. Knowledgeable people I've spoken to, among them two resin manufacturer's reps, prefer 7 or 8 days.

Perhaps your water usage may go down because your son or daughter goes away on vacation.

The calender override allows control over those situations. You can always turn it off if you don't like it.
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 11:07 am
hobbs wrote:
Gary your making me nuts! (short trip) Two months ago you gave me all the reasons post fill was bad and pre fill was good, now your recommending post fill?

No I'm not, I don't know if he has a grid but he has read what I and others said about prefill and elected to choose post, so he can live with the outcome. But ya notice he bought from someone else and I'm here having to tell him how to correctly program his Clack WS-1 right. And justalurker says I don't provide service. :wink:

And now I see Zozzie wants me to 'splain calendar override...
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 11:39 am
Zozzie wrote:
So what DLFC should I have for this 0948 resin tank?

A 1.5-2.0 gpm.

Quote:
To get 30,000, you need 15 lbs of salt. Ten lbs would get you 25.5k. You don't need and shouldn't want either. That's terrible salt efficiency.

Zozzie wrote:
Does that mean it would have too much water treatment capability for just two of us?

Capability...? In a way yes. You want to regenerate it optimally every 7-9 days, I use day 8. Otherwise you shorten the life of the resin. And with higher capacity, you get really poor salt efficiency.

Quote:
With two people: Settings should be -
DLFC - is 2.7
4.0 lbs of salt per regeneration.
Capacity - 13,000
Calendar override day 8
Post fill brine tank.
Downflow.
Auto regeneration. (2am)
City water with 13 grains of hardness.
That will put 1000 gals on the meter. It will regenerate on average every 8 days. That's optimal.

Zozzie wrote:
Okey dokey. I can change those settings.

You should also program it to Normal + on 0.

Zozzie wrote:
I don't understand the regeneration business. This is what I think the manual says - when I run it on Auto, it will regenerate when, in this case, 1000gals is used. If we don't use 1000gals in 8 days it will regenerate anyway. Why does it do this?

No manual gets into everything a dealer has to know to size and program a softener. Auto lets the computer set the gallons etc..

The calendar override is a good thing, it protects the resin and extends it's life. It also prevents other things from happening. I'll let justalurker 'splain them. He likes pretending to be an expert in softeners so we'll let him shine some more. You do know he is a customer of mine and has the same softener you have except you have a different circuit board and cover, right?
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 02:08 pm
justalurker wrote:
If there is still softened water available at the 8 day mark the softener will regenerate. The calendar override overrides the gallons remaining count and regenerates. That's what the calendar override does.


Zozzie wrote:
This is the one I don't understand. If there are gallons still left and the 8-day mark arrives, why do they want it to regenerate?


justalurker wrote:
If your softener is setup and sized correctly and you have consistent water usage then you may never experience a calendar override initiated regeneration.

No household has consistent water usage over an 8 day period and the rest of your statement is incorrect when applied to his programming.

justalurker wrote:
Some people have incorrectly sized softeners or softeners that are not setup correctly and may regenerate at longer intervals such as two weeks.

There are varying opinions as to how long a softener should go before regeneration. Knowledgeable people I've spoken to, among them two resin manufacturer's reps, prefer 7 or 8 days.

Perhaps your water usage may go down because your son or daughter goes away on vacation.


justalurker wrote:
The calender override allows control over those situations. You can always turn it off if you don't like it.

To the uninformed you sound as if you know what you are talking about but... if he turns it off he should reprogram his settings too. I know you're trying to be helpful but he and others would be better off if you left softener programming to softener guys.
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Zozzie
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 02:39 pm
This is hilarious! You guys can't agree on anything!

Ok I'm gonna shoot for the moon here and try to get Gary, Lurker and H2OMan to agree on something. Hmmmm, what's the definitive question where all of you could agree on the same answer. I feel like Alex Trebek.

Ok here it is - Do you all agree that there's nothing you agree on?

But I'm sure this question will come back to haunt me! Rolling Eyes

Edit - ***Gawd I just found Gary & 'Lurker arguing over at alt.home.repair!!!*** Do you guys just exist to contradict each other? One of ya has GOT to be right. Maybe. Rolling Eyes
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justalurker
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 05:59 pm
Zozzie wrote:
One of ya has GOT to be right. Maybe. Rolling Eyes


Gary's always right... just ask him and he'll tell you.

As stated before many times in many threads I bought a water softener from Gary and much like eating bad shellfish the experience was accompanied by severe gastric distress. After doubling up in pain everything came out in the end and I knew better than to do that again.

Zozzie,

I apologize for trying to help when you posed a question. Although I knew that anything I advised would be met with a polar opposite statement from Gary, I mean mhlurker.

You made your decision and learning the valve is not that hard... after all, Gary thinks he knows it. He knows all the Clack WS1 circuit boards were potted but, OOPS, I proved by posting a pic that they weren't. Gary rattles on and I get tired of proving him wrong although I do enjoy it.

You should addresses your questions directly to Gary and then you could get the word first hand without ridiculing others trying to help you.

Gary, If I had left my softener programming to you my Clack would have been a dud... it worked better despite you then because of you (your drop-shippers or Clack dropped the ball on the initial programming big time) and is currently the most efficient softening doorstop in the state.
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Zozzie
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 06:09 pm
justalurker wrote:
I apologize for trying to help when you posed a question. You should addresses your questions directly to Gary and then you could get the word first hand without ridiculing others trying to help you.

I didn't ridicule anyone for trying to help me 'Lurker. Can you show me where I did? I'm just laughing at you guys (the three of you) contradicting each other. It's hilarious.

I'll just take everyone's opinion, plus other places on the 'net that I'm checking, and I'll decide for myself how to set my softener. Seeing as no two people can agree, I have no other choice.

I appreciate anyone's and everyone's input.
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 12:30 pm
Zozzie.... see how touchy justalurker is? I hurt his feelings in Aug 2005 and he's followed me around to all the forums etc. since doing his best to prevent anyone from buying from me. That's what's behind he's posts.

H20man doesn't know how to program a Clack so he's out of this but justalurker... he has the same thing you do and could have told you how his is programmed but he refuses. Yet he says I programmed his wrong. I'll reply to that in a reply to his post. You should get a good laugh out of it.

BTW, I suggest Prefill.
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Zozzie
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 12:36 pm
Gary Slusser wrote:
Zozzie I suggest Prefill.

Seeing as he suggests postfill and you suggest prefill I have no choice but to go duringfill. Hmmm but I guess it can't fill and drain through the same brine tube at the same time can it? Maybe I need dual tubes. Or it could be that one of you will be devastated because I don't go with your suggestion. I'll have to carry that on my conscience forever. Rolling Eyes
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 12:50 pm
Gary Slusser wrote:


H2OMAN doesn't know how to program a Clack so he's out of this but ...


Rolling Eyes
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 12:51 pm
FIGHT! FIGHT!!
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 12:53 pm
And, by the way, I love the title of this thread Softener resin escaping

It sounds like a porno movie title gone bad.
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 12:55 pm
justalurker wrote:
Gary, If I had left my softener programming to you my Clack would have been a dud... it worked better despite you then because of you (your drop-shippers or Clack dropped the ball on the initial programming big time) and is currently the most efficient softening doorstop in the state.

My suppliers can't program control valves, they don't have the required data. And I didn't program it, my customers program the control valve and you knew that.

What you saw was the factory default settings!!

I went over the programming with you on the phone and then sent it to you in an email. You say you tweaked or changed it, what it is set to now?

And since you say your are here just to help people, why not share that with Zozzie?

BTW, I don't believe for a minute you aren't using the softener right where you installed it to the right of your water heater due to limited space. So post a picture and prove me wrong. Otherwise more people will think you aren't telling the truth....
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 01:00 pm
A very angry Gary Slusser wrote:

My suppliers can't program control valves, they don't have the required data. And I didn't program it, my customers program the control valve and you knew that.

What you saw was the factory default settings!!


I can feel the heat.
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 01:06 pm
And here I sit still laughing at him thinking the default settings was the programming...

Merry Christmas Gus.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 01:10 pm
Merry Christmas, Gary. May all your water softeners be filled with salt and joy.
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