Mysteryman:
Couldn't have said it better myself!
Semper Fi!
Halfback (USMC Ret.)
I hate america so much I live in the land of illegal aliens, New Mexico. You know a New Mexican credit card is a siphon hose and a medicaid card. Not like Utah at all.
dyslexia wrote:Not like Utah at all.
well, that's one point in its favor!
Cycloptichorn wrote:Foofie wrote:dyslexia wrote:foofie wrote:You see, we Americans are congregants to the faith of Americanism, and to burn or desecrate it's flag is a simple hate crime (and property crime) in my opinion.
fascinating.
And correct/true/factual! There is a fairly new book that explains the concept that we Americans are congregants to a faith called Americanism. Not all Americans are othodox believers, so to speak. But, those that got this country to survive a few hundred years of difficult history were likely very religious in this sense.
What you describe is a dangerous concept, and one that I will fight my entire life against. And I'm a proud American.
The funny thing is that you don't even seem to understand, historically, that what you mention isn't unique in the slightest and has consistently lead to ruin for the countries involved.
Cycloptichorn
Probably more than half the country thinks more like me on this subject. You really don't have a "fight." No one is fighting you. You are just a sizable minority in this country. Only a portion of every blue state likely agrees with you, and few of every red state. I would guess around the Berkeley campus you can find some like minds. Or, for that matter many a college campus. However, the United States is not secular, progressive academia. I assume you are under 30 (perhaps I'm wrong), and you hang out with few who are from the Vietnam Era. They haven't died off yet. You should add that to your analysis.
kill your tv.
Quote:You are just a sizable minority in this country. Only a portion of every blue state likely agrees with you, and few of every red state. I would guess around the Berkeley campus you can find some like minds.
television is evil. faux news moreso.
Foofie wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:Foofie wrote:dyslexia wrote:foofie wrote:You see, we Americans are congregants to the faith of Americanism, and to burn or desecrate it's flag is a simple hate crime (and property crime) in my opinion.
fascinating.
And correct/true/factual! There is a fairly new book that explains the concept that we Americans are congregants to a faith called Americanism.
What you describe is a dangerous concept, and one that I will fight my entire life against. And I'm a proud American.
The funny thing is that you don't even seem to understand, historically, that what you mention isn't unique in the slightest and has consistently lead to ruin for the countries involved.
Cycloptichorn
Probably more than half the country thinks more like me on this subject. ....
evenin' foofie... do you have any proof of this assertion ? from an unbiased source ?
also, i'm wondering what it is about the current conservative movement that seems to really need to embue things of this nature with "faith".
by that, i mean that if you are a citizen of the united states, you inherently possess "americanism". it's not something that requires "faith".
DontTreadOnMe wrote:Foofie wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:Foofie wrote:dyslexia wrote:foofie wrote:You see, we Americans are congregants to the faith of Americanism, and to burn or desecrate it's flag is a simple hate crime (and property crime) in my opinion.
fascinating.
And correct/true/factual! There is a fairly new book that explains the concept that we Americans are congregants to a faith called Americanism.
What you describe is a dangerous concept, and one that I will fight my entire life against. And I'm a proud American.
The funny thing is that you don't even seem to understand, historically, that what you mention isn't unique in the slightest and has consistently lead to ruin for the countries involved.
Cycloptichorn
Probably more than half the country thinks more like me on this subject. ....
evenin' foofie... do you have any proof of this assertion ? from an unbiased source ?
also, i'm wondering what it is about the current conservative movement that seems to really need to embue things of this nature with "faith".
by that, i mean that if you are a citizen of the united states, you inherently possess "americanism". it's not something that requires "faith".
My proof are my own observations. You need not accept their veracity.
Faith is just a word. It implies being a true believer. One can be raised in a family with a specific religion, and claim that religion as one's own, yet not practice it. The same with Americanism, I believe. We are citizens of the U.S., and therefore we are part of the faith of Americanism. However, many do not give it much meaning to their lives. And, others do!
okay. so what you are presenting is not a fact but a perception.
DontTreadOnMe wrote:okay. so what you are presenting is not a fact but a perception.
I said you need not accept it as true. You need not prove anything about what I said. You may have a lovely day on Pacific Standard Time.
Foofie wrote:DontTreadOnMe wrote:okay. so what you are presenting is not a fact but a perception.
I said you need not accept it as true. You need not prove anything about what I said. You may have a lovely day on Pacific Standard Time.
well... okie-dokie, don quixote...
It could become a new idiom;
He/She/They/You/I/We pulled a foofie.
The man who in times of popular excitement boldly and unflinchingly resists hot-tempered clamor for an unnecessary war, and thus exposes himself to the opprobrious imputation of a lack of patriotism or of courage, to the end of saving his country from a great calamity, is, as to "loving and faithfully serving his country," at least as good a patriot as the hero of the most daring feat of arms, and a far better one than those who, with an ostentatious pretense of superior patriotism, cry for war before it is needed, especially if then they let others do the fighting.
- Carl Schurz, April, 1898
What is the rule of honor to be observed by a power so strongly and so advantageously situated as this Republic is? Of course I do not expect it meekly to pocket real insults if they should be offered to it. But, surely, it should not, as our boyish jingoes wish it to do, swagger about among the nations of the world, with a chip on its shoulder, shaking its fist in everybody's face. Of course, it should not tamely submit to real encroachments upon its rights. But, surely, it should not, whenever its own notions of right or interest collide with the notions of others, fall into hysterics and act as if it really feared for its own security and its very independence.
As a true gentleman, conscious of his strength and his dignity, it should be slow to take offense. In its dealings with other nations it should have scrupulous regard, not only for their rights, but also for their self-respect. With all its latent resources for war, it should be the great peace power of the world. It should never forget what a proud privilege and what an inestimable blessing it is not to need and not to have big armies or navies to support. It should seek to influence mankind, not by heavy artillery, but by good example and wise counsel. It should see its highest glory, not in battles won, but in wars prevented. It should be so invariably just and fair, so trustworthy, so good tempered, so conciliatory, that other nations would instinctively turn to it as their mutual friend and the natural adjuster of their differences, thus making it the greatest preserver of the world's peace.
This is not a mere idealistic fancy. It is the natural position of this great republic among the nations of the earth. It is its noblest vocation, and it will be a glorious day for the United States when the good sense and the self-respect of the American people see in this their "manifest destiny." It all rests upon peace. Is not this peace with honor? There has, of late, been much loose speech about "Americanism." Is not this good Americanism? It is surely today the Americanism of those who love their country most. And I fervently hope that it will be and ever remain the Americanism of our children and our children's children.
- Carl Schurz, The True Americanism, April 18, 1859
Applause - not simply for opposing McG - but for showing loyalty to principle, and loyalty to your country's Constitution even when it may be awkward.
For standing up for it even when, in purely partisan terms (libs vs cons, Reps vs Dems, etc), it may seem "friendly fire" you're defending it against.
I guess thats how a real soldier is different from a keyboard soldier..
nimh wrote:Applause - not simply for opposing McG - but for showing loyalty to principle, and loyalty to your country's Constitution even when it may be awkward.
For standing up for it even when, in purely partisan terms (libs vs cons, Reps vs Dems, etc), it may seem "friendly fire" you're defending it against.
I guess thats how a real soldier is different from a keyboard soldier..
Opposing McG? You mean cjhsa, right?
As an aside, if flag desecration were ever to be ratified into the constitution, as some have tried, then we could see some action.
Carl Schurz-- another Jesuit trained thinker.
Quote:"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:38-42, NIV)
The Sermon on the Mount.
It just shows how Christianity can be distorted.
spendius wrote:Carl Schurz-- another Jesuit trained thinker.
Quote:"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:38-42, NIV)
The Sermon on the Mount.
It just shows how Christianity can be distorted.
Or it just shows how Christianity can distort.
