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The US is a great place to be anti-American

 
 
Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 09:21 am
Anti-Americanism is on the wane at last. All over the world, Americans are being fĂȘted once again as farsighted, liberating heroes.

Al Gore has won a Nobel Peace Prize, an Oscar and an Emmy, the triple crown of recognition from the self-adoring keepers of bien-pensant, elite liberal, global orthodoxy. Michael Moore is treated like a prophet in Cannes and Venice, as he peddles his tales of an America that poisons its poor, sends its blacks off to war and shoots itself. Whenever a loquacious Dixie Chick or a contumacious Sean Penn utters some excoriating remark about the depravity of his or her own country, audiences around the world nod their heads in sympathetic agreement. Bill Clinton, of course, is a god. Though protocol dictates that he may not say things that are too unkind about the country he once led, a nod and a wink will suffice.

It has always amused me that the same people who denounce America as a seething cesspit of blind obscurantist bigotry can't see the irony that America itself produces its own best critics. When there's a scab to be picked on the American body politic, no one does it with more loving attention, more rigorous focus on the detail, than Americans themselves.

It has always been this way. The fiercest and most effective opponents of US foreign policy in the 1960s were not the students in Paris or the Politburo in North Vietnam. They were Jane Fonda, Bobby Kennedy and Marvin Gaye.

Today I can only laugh when I see the popular portrayal of George Bush's America in much of the international media. Supposedly serious commentators will say, without evident irony, that free speech is under attack, that Bush's wiretapping, Guantanamo-building, tourist-fingerprinting regime is terrifying Americans into quiet, desperate acquiescence in the country's proliferating crimes.

The truth is that America not only harbours the most eloquent and noisy anti-Americans in its own breast, it provides a safe haven for people to come from all over the world to condemn it.

Take a stroll through almost any American university campus and you will hear a cacophony of voices in a hundred different languages, slamming everything America does, from fast food to hedge-fund capitalism. For years one of America's most celebrated academics was Edward Said, the Palestinian agitator-cum-professor, who lived high on the hog at Columbia University, near the pinnacle of the American intellectual establishment, dispensing his wisdom about US wrongs in the Middle East.

Hollywood is the global mecca for angry denouncers of everything American. From all over they come, forcing themselves to live in their green-lawned mansions carefully tended by cheap migrant labour from south of the Border. This autumn, unsuspecting Americans (and everyone else, of course) will be treated to an especially unsettling stream of antiwar, anti-American propaganda, much of it produced in Hollywood by foreigners - such as this weekend's likely box-office hit, Rendition.

And where would the world get its daily media diet of horror stories about what a ghastly country the place is if its reporters weren't all comfortably pavilioned inside America, where they make a generous living happily devouring the hand that generously feeds them?

It's true that self-criticism is always more effective than an outsider's observations. Let's be honest, how much real moral weight do Vladimir Putin or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad carry when they decry American motives and actions? All but the most unhinged of America's critics know, deep down, in a part of the brain they try not to consult, that whatever they may think of the Bushitler in Washington, they don't feel comfortable agreeing with the ex-KGB hatchet man of the Kremlin or the Holocaust-denying Dr Strangelove sitting astride his Islamist bomb. It sounds so much better when Al Gore or Michael Moore says it.

But ask yourself why that is. Isn't it because they know that only American criticism really carries legitimacy? Only a country that enthusiastically and self-woundingly honours Voltaire's old dictum about free speech can really be trusted to cast judgment on anything.

There's another, more important aspect to the world's affection for those in America who are most critical of it. The Americans who win global approbation in Oslo or at the UN are not simply critics of current American policy. They want to construct an international system that will for ever prevent the US from pursuing its own objectives, a system designed to dilute, counterbalance and constrain America's ability to govern itself. They prefer a world in which American democracy is subordinated to a kind of global government, rule by a global elite, tasked to make decisions on everyone's behalf in the name of multilateralism.

Al Gore wants the US to give up its economic autonomy and submit to rule by binding international obligations to curb its carbon emissions. Some of the Democratic candidates for the presidency want to tie down the American Gulliver under a web of global treaties. The British Government, if recent speeches by ministers are to be believed, is now apparently seriously committed to the idea that only the UN has the legitimacy to determine how nations should behave. In other words, that a system that gives vetoes to China and Russia and honours the human rights contributions of countries such as Syria or North Korea should be accorded a full role in the promotion of the dignity of mankind.

There's a larger irony in all this. Even as the US demonstrates the openness of its own society, its unrivalled capacity for self-examination and self-correction, a free system based on the absolute authority of the rule of law, it is told it must submit itself to the views of Moscow, Beijing, and Brussels.

Fortunately, while the American system may be forgivingly tolerant of people with wild and dangerous ideas, it doesn't generally let them run the country.

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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 10:26 am
The U.S. is a great place to be anti-Republican.

Being anti-Republican is not the same thing as being anti-American. Somehow the Republicans don't understand this.
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Halfback
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 10:51 am
Mac: Nice food for thought. A point of view to be considered. Cool

Mr. Brown: It is your destiny in life to never add anything positive to ANY discussion? Apparently not. Sad

You and the Roxy lady really ought to form a mutual admiration society.....except neither of you would probably be able to say anything positive about each other. Laughing

Halfback
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 11:04 am
Actually, ebrown frequently adds something positive to a discussion. I, however, frequently don't, so I will just go quietly and let you kids get on with it.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 11:06 am
It's all blue potatoes to me.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 11:39 am
Quote:

There's a larger irony in all this. Even as the US demonstrates the openness of its own society, its unrivalled capacity for self-examination and self-correction, a free system based on the absolute authority of the rule of law, it is told it must submit itself to the views of Moscow, Beijing, and Brussels.


A 'free system based on the absolute authority of the rule of law?'

That isn't America, and you know it. Or Bush's cronies and many others would be in jail right now.

The Rule of Law is not currently recognized in America by Republicans.

Cycloptichorn
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Halfback
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 11:39 am
Kicky, that might be true of Mr. Brown. I don't know. What I usually see from him is hype and ad hominem attacks, typically against the arch rival, hated Conservatives and Republicans. Sad

Perhaps we just bring out the worst in him.... Laughing

I'm not sure why the general public gets into these forums. I come in here to get ideas, hear other points of view, to understand things that are outside my realm of knowledge, or interest, even.

When I post I generally offer an idea or a concept as food for thought or alternate viewpoint. In general, the retorts, with some exception, are negative, bombastic, party rhetoric and name calling. Virtually no one takes the time to offer an alternate viewpoint or to address my offerings with counter offerings.

Is it any wonder that our Government acts in exactly the same manner?

I try not to resort to name calling myself, but...... when I am countering a particularly odious insult or responding to a particularly nasty display of hate... I fall from my self imposed ideals. (...and then spend the rest of the day wondering what has happened in the life of such a person to cause them to be so full of hate, viciousness and rage.)

Halfback
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 11:43 am
Quote:
It has always amused me that the same people who denounce America as a seething cesspit of blind obscurantist bigotry can't see the irony that America itself produces its own best critics.


oh i agree- in fact that's *nearly* as ironic as the fact that "its own best critics" are saddled with the label "anti-american."

perhaps the people first to cry "unamerican" are the ones that are the most "unamerican" themselves, who said "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel?"

wasn't it samuel johnson in 1775? we could do just fine without liberal scum like that guy, i'd expect that sort of thing from england's elite. who won the bloody war, anyway? real americans know that kowtowing to your leader is the only true expression of being better than those horrible british, that's why we went to war with our own king- we were anti-england, unlike these anti-americans!
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Francis
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 11:47 am
Halfback wrote:
I fall from my self imposed ideals. (...and then spend the rest of the day wondering what has happened in the life of such a person to cause them to be so full of hate, viciousness and rage.)


Were I to offer an explanation, I would say the part in bold.

In other words, the shitiness of their lives compared to their dreams..
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 12:00 pm
and i don't know where people from other countries get off criticizing the united states, just because they don't agree with our policies.

i mean we criticize iraq, china, france, cuba, japan, iran, north korea, israel (well, not patriotic americans, who know that being american means also agreeing with the israeli and saudi arabian government...) and liberal states like california, but that's different because we have better reasons! (a lot of them are pagans that hate jesus, too)

and since the iraq war is over (just hanging out now, we declared victory how many years ago?) we should technically be flying the peacetime flag:

god bless america, and screw the rest of you!

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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 12:37 pm
The ability to openly criticize the culture, political process, political climate, mores, educational system, space program, patriotic fervor, and all-around craziness of America is what makes America great.



The amazing part is that McGentrix may finally be coming to understand this.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 12:44 pm
You mean that people are free to be as stupid as they wish to be? No news there. I see no need in advertising it though as so many here do.

I am sure one of the next posts will say something to the extent of "you show it every time you post McG." I expect that level of quality here.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 12:53 pm
I love you, McG.


Ha, bet you weren't expecting THAT!
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Halfback
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 01:06 pm
Some very long time ago, I swore an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States. Note that did not say "The Government", the current leadership, political party or other personification of our Nation.

No, Sir! The Constitution. Those ideals we signed onto to form our fledgling country and form the basis of what we expect our Government to do and to be precluded from.

One of those rights we hold dear is the freedom of expression. Come the day I can no longer criticize the Congress, the President or the Government in general to my hearts content, when necessary or not, in my and my humble opinion alone, if necessary, THAT will be the day that I apply for political asylum elsewhere as the Constitution, hence, the US of A, will be dead.

Halfback
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 01:20 pm
But, don't expect the criticism of the government to go unchallenged. Especially by those they think and feel differently.

:wink:
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Halfback
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 01:41 pm
Everybody gets equal opinion making authority, Mac. Cool

Just keep it clean, no punching below the belt, if a fighter falls, step away and let the ref do the ten count..... Laughing

Halfback
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Halfback
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 01:43 pm
Besides, the Government is NOT responsible for citizen stupidity! Laughing

Halfback
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 01:48 pm
Halfback wrote:
Besides, the Government is NOT responsible for citizen stupidity! Laughing

Halfback


QFT
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Francis
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 01:49 pm
Halfback wrote:
Besides, the Government is NOT responsible for citizen stupidity!


Yes but the other way around, that's true!
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 19 Oct, 2007 02:01 pm
DrewDad wrote:
The ability to openly criticize the culture, political process, political climate, mores, educational system, space program, patriotic fervor, and all-around craziness of America is what makes America great.



The amazing part is that McGentrix may finally be coming to understand this.

My optimism got the better of me, apparently.
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