The US is a great place to be anti-American

I was just watching Cheney threatening Iran. It reminded me that he requested and received six draft deferrals. Bush, who said he was a war president, basically deserted when in the Guard.

How can anyone consider them patriotic?

looks like that to me.

it's a opinion based on theocracy and not logic.

btw, russert interviewed stephen colbert on meet the press. it was hysterical.

asked about gay marriage, colbert replied (slightly paraphrased);

"not in favor of gay marriage. the only reason i got married was to rub it in gay men's faces".

it just occured to me that perhaps larry craig married what's-her-name for the same reason. keepin' it on the down low, ya know ?

back on topic...



from the mind of teddy roosevelt, well known anti-american...

That's an important quote, which should be taught in every grade school.

Thanks!

grade schools exist partially to indoctrinate people.

they're doing a fine job, leaving that bit out. but let's stand and worship the flag now, okay boys and girls?

Aside from the people that just complain/criticize, because it reflects the emotional need of their respective persona, "criticism" (constructive or otherwise), I believe, just reflects a person's value system.

I mean we don't hear atheists complaining that the U.S. should be officially designated as a "Christian nation." Nor, do we hear U.S. gays complaining that "gay rights" is offending conservative Christians. Nor, do we hear U.S. moslems complaining that the Palestinians should migrate to Europe and give up their political goals.

In other words, we are always promulgating a position that serves our own personal perspective. This sounds stupidly simple (aka, "Duh!"), but when a person gives his perspective, I suspect many do believe they will really get people to believe that they are NOT just promulgating a personal perspective, but a perspective that everyone should have. People are not that stupid. But, it does keep these forum websites alive.

Yes, the 3 R's (reading, (w)riting, and (a)rithmetic, plus get the little children to one day join the respective society they live in and function as contributing citizens. What's wrong with that???

And, no sarcasm needed, but some people do consider the U.S. flag akin to a holy document. So, why mock them? You are entitled to NOT worshiping the U.S. flag. Would you want to be mocked for any of your beliefs?

The idea that U.S. flag is akin to a "holy document" is a very dangerous idea. Like any "holy" document... it suggests that people should turn off their minds, stop questioning and accept what they are told simply because it has the "official seal of holiness".

Blind worship for the US flag is used for all kinds of questionable causes... from punishing dissent to inspiring racial hatred. (I am not against the US flag as a symbol of Americans values-- I am against making it "holy" and unquestionable).

What you are calling "mockery" is really just free speech in defense of true American values.

When people are using the American flag to stifle dissent and rile up hatred, mockery is a completely appropriate response.

No, more like some things are so obvious, it's just stupid to spin and attempt to complicate them because you hate the obvious and straightforward solutions to any issue.

epb is an attacker of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. He wishes to confer these upon non-citizens, for free. He is an enemy of the Republic.

Wow, paranoia mixed with heaps of ignorance plus guns = a disaster waiting to happen.

Yes, ebp is a disaster waiting to happen. He is an architect of disaster.

I have to disagree with that. The citizens ARE responsible for Government stupidity...... we (the people) let it happen!

Halfback

The New Anarchist

Anarchy, according to Merriam-Webster on-line, is defined as follows:
a) absence of government.
b) a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority.
c) a Utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government.

It is clear that the words of the Sex Pistols classic Anarchy In The UK fit all three definitions above. When Johnny Rotten first belted out these words, I am sure he desired that all three would come to pass in his lifetime.

Ironically, at least here in the USA, these words have come true. While Sid Vicious is pushing up Poison Ivy, Johnny Rotten is definitely still alive and kicking, and he did get to see anarchy come into being. He just has to look to the US to see it. Even more ironically, the ones who have brought this state of governmental absence in the US aren't wearing torn jeans, gay cowboy T-shirts, and safety pins through the nose, ears, foreskin, or whatever.

As a matter of fact, the biggest anarchists in this country wear three-piece suits, black socks, wing-tip shoes, and ties. They drive around (or are driven around) in Hummers, Mercedes Benzes or Escalades. They are clean-shaven, have huge bank accounts, and social status. In other words, those who have brought real anarchy to the USA have only changed image and political parties. Their anti-governmental leanings are no less virulent, and no less caustic than the punks who defined a musical era. Their effectiveness; however, is far and away beyond anything any those of the punk era could have ever hoped to achieve. It's not perfect, minf you, but it is a lot better than other anarchists before them.

While the idea may seem rather surprising to some, if you look at the philosophy of the neo-cons, it is par for the course. Along with tax cuts, "smaller government," is also a big part of the right-winged ideological mantra. We have heard it for years, but how many have really put two and two together to figure out what "smaller government" really meant?

Few indeed. Of that, there can be no doubt.

To be sure, part of it means they think that a smaller bureaucracy is a good thing. However, the part of that ideology is quite literally the elimination of government. Since it is clear that the RepubliKKKans are the present masters of the art of political bullshit, would it not make sense that "smaller government," might be a euphemism for "no government", or maybe even complete anarchy?

Considering the political situation that has unfolded since the neo-cons took power, there should be little doubt that anarchy is part of what is preached by the neo-cons. Curiously, it's not complete anarchy. It's just enough anarchy to insure that there is no impediment to these people making as much money as they can with as few restrictions as possible. However, it's not enough anarchy to get rid of the police, prisons, or other means with which the less fortunate can be kept on a short leash, kept ignorant, and kept under the thumb of the anarchists.

The anarchy stops short of total only because there has to be a means to keep the common person down. Whether it's those who manufacture fear, or the jailers who keep us in line if fear doesn't work, the only parts of the government that have grown under the auspices of the DUBYA regime are the ones bent on social control.

Anything with a focus on stopping the rich from getting richer has been gutted. Anything focused on helping the common man has been decimated. Anything allied with the government doing the job it is supposed to do like forming a more perfect union, establishing justice, insuring domestic tranquility, promoting the general welfare and insuring the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity has been downsized, or completely eliminated.

The only part they seem to care about, providing for the common defense, is all fucked up as well. Yes, it's true. They can't even get the parts they like right. The morass that is the Iraq War stands as stark proof of this reality. The fact that Osama bin Laden is still running around on the Pakistani border with his faithful dialysis machine in tow is even further proof.

I said they were anarchists. I didn't say they were any good at it. While they have enough of whatever it takes to completely destroy our freedoms, thankfully, they really don't have enough to do the job completely.

The problem is they are being allowed to practice their art with complete impunity. There is very little doubt that DUBYA and is minions have committed numerous crimes. In the case of the Iraq war, they continue to literally get away with murder. Few have the courage to stand against the DUBYA regime. Those that do are slapped into the middle of next week.

-- opednews.com

some do. however, it's empty idolatry when the basic things that it symbolizes are ignored and history rewritten.

in which case, it might as well be a hooters tee shirt on a broomstick.

Don't T.O.M.:

Now, in all honesty, when was the last time you heard our elected elite refer to themselves as "public servants"?

The problem in this country is that we have allowed our elected officials to ignore the "rank and file" Americans in favor of their "kow-towing" to the monied Lobbies and and "Special Interest Groups" (read: MONEY).

They throw bones and bread and circuses at the rest of us and continue their single minded pursuit of what is really important to them, power and self enrichment.

I say chuck 'em all out and start over with a new group, perhaps one with a little better capability to listen to the "little people".

Halfback

P.S. 11% approval rate.....indeed!

It's one of the reasons I support mandatory public financing combined with severe restrictions on campaign funding. Get the money out of politics!

Cycloptichorn

Uh, but they are in charge of the money.....

And public financing? Bullshit - then the most popular douchebag in the early running will always win. What you propose is not democracy, it's a popularity contest. I'm the lineman who tells the QB he's a douchbag....

You're not anyone at all, actually. Nobody at all. Not a person.

Cycloptichorn