The US is a great place to be anti-American

cjhsa wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

It's one of the reasons I support mandatory public financing combined with severe restrictions on campaign funding. Get the money out of politics!

Cycloptichorn

Uh, but they are in charge of the money.....

And public financing? Bullshit - then the most popular douchebag in the early running will always win. What you propose is not democracy, it's a popularity contest. I'm the lineman who tells the QB he's a douchbag....

You're not anyone at all, actually. Nobody at all. Not a person.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

cjhsa wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

It's one of the reasons I support mandatory public financing combined with severe restrictions on campaign funding. Get the money out of politics!

Cycloptichorn

Uh, but they are in charge of the money.....

And public financing? Bullshit - then the most popular douchebag in the early running will always win. What you propose is not democracy, it's a popularity contest. I'm the lineman who tells the QB he's a douchbag....

You're not anyone at all, actually. Nobody at all. Not a person.

Cycloptichorn

Thrice the man you'll ever be... get out your calculator...

I didn't realize Hillary was already president and cut off all our balls. My mistake.

I didn't realize Hillary was already president and cut off all our balls. My mistake.

Foofie wrote:

tinygiraffe wrote:

grade schools exist partially to indoctrinate people.

they're doing a fine job, leaving that bit out. but let's stand and worship the flag now, okay boys and girls?

Yes, the 3 R's (reading, (w)riting, and (a)rithmetic, plus get the little children to one day join the respective society they live in and function as contributing citizens. What's wrong with that???

And, no sarcasm needed, but some people do consider the U.S. flag akin to a holy document. So, why mock them? You are entitled to NOT worshiping the U.S. flag. Would you want to be mocked for any of your beliefs?

The idea that U.S. flag is akin to a "holy document" is a very dangerous idea. Like any "holy" document... it suggests that people should turn off their minds, stop questioning and accept what they are told simply because it has the "official seal of holiness".

Blind worship for the US flag is used for all kinds of questionable causes... from punishing dissent to inspiring racial hatred. (I am not against the US flag as a symbol of Americans values-- I am against making it "holy" and unquestionable).

What you are calling "mockery" is really just free speech in defense of true American values.

When people are using the American flag to stifle dissent and rile up hatred, mockery is a completely appropriate response.

ebrown_p wrote:

Foofie wrote:

tinygiraffe wrote:

grade schools exist partially to indoctrinate people.

they're doing a fine job, leaving that bit out. but let's stand and worship the flag now, okay boys and girls?

Yes, the 3 R's (reading, (w)riting, and (a)rithmetic, plus get the little children to one day join the respective society they live in and function as contributing citizens. What's wrong with that???

And, no sarcasm needed, but some people do consider the U.S. flag akin to a holy document. So, why mock them? You are entitled to NOT worshiping the U.S. flag. Would you want to be mocked for any of your beliefs?

The idea that U.S. flag is akin to a "holy document" is a very dangerous idea. Like any "holy" document... it suggests that people should turn off their minds, stop questioning and accept what they are told simply because it has the "official seal of holiness".

Blind worship for the US flag is used for all kinds of questionable causes... from punishing dissent to inspiring racial hatred. (I am not against the US flag as a symbol of Americans values-- I am against making it "holy" and unquestionable).

What you are calling "mockery" is really just free speech in defense of true American values.

When people are using the American flag to stifle dissent and rile up hatred, mockery is a completely appropriate response.

Don't try to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge (in that you are the true owner of the correct belief). If it's my opinion that the American Flag is a holy document, then that is my opinion, whether or not you choose to consider that opinion dangerous. I hate to point this out, but how did your "opinion" become objective truth? Perhaps, you should preface your opinions with, "It's my opinion..."; otherwise, I, in my naive way, can misconstrue that you might be just pontificating.

Foofie wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:

Foofie wrote:

tinygiraffe wrote:

grade schools exist partially to indoctrinate people.

they're doing a fine job, leaving that bit out. but let's stand and worship the flag now, okay boys and girls?

Yes, the 3 R's (reading, (w)riting, and (a)rithmetic, plus get the little children to one day join the respective society they live in and function as contributing citizens. What's wrong with that???

And, no sarcasm needed, but some people do consider the U.S. flag akin to a holy document. So, why mock them? You are entitled to NOT worshiping the U.S. flag. Would you want to be mocked for any of your beliefs?

The idea that U.S. flag is akin to a "holy document" is a very dangerous idea. Like any "holy" document... it suggests that people should turn off their minds, stop questioning and accept what they are told simply because it has the "official seal of holiness".

Blind worship for the US flag is used for all kinds of questionable causes... from punishing dissent to inspiring racial hatred. (I am not against the US flag as a symbol of Americans values-- I am against making it "holy" and unquestionable).

What you are calling "mockery" is really just free speech in defense of true American values.

When people are using the American flag to stifle dissent and rile up hatred, mockery is a completely appropriate response.

Don't try to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge (in that you are the true owner of the correct belief). If it's my opinion that the American Flag is a holy document, then that is my opinion, whether or not you choose to consider that opinion dangerous. I hate to point this out, but how did your "opinion" become objective truth? Perhaps, you should preface your opinions with, "It's my opinion..."; otherwise, I, in my naive way, can misconstrue that you might be just pontificating.

You, clearly not unique possessor of the correct belief, have no claim on exemption from criticism of your voiced ideas or from mockery of them. Tough luck.

Tell them it's just a piece of cloth....

Each fusillade of wit from you has wounded me deeply. My eyesight dims and I can barely set one foot in front of the other. In intelligence, education, originality of thought and independence of mind I am no match for you, woiyo. I am all aquiver in your presence.

Tell them it's just a piece of cloth.

Quote:

Tell them it's just a piece of cloth.

It's just a piece of cloth. They knew it. They all knew it.

It's what the cloth represents that matters.

You're a fool if you feel any differently.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

Tell them it's just a piece of cloth.

It's just a piece of cloth. They knew it. They all knew it.

It's what the cloth represents that matters.

You're a fool if you feel any differently.

Cycloptichorn

And you leftists wonder why your patriotism is questioned.

An important quote in the book is where the priest, Father Callahan comes face to face with the vampire Barlow. Callahan picks up a cross that begins to glow. Barlow challenges the priest to throw down the cross and fight him faith to faith, good against evil. The priest is afraid to throw down the cross, the cross loses its glow, and the vampire forces the priest to drink his blood and then says:

"The cross -the bread and wine - the confessional - only symbols. Without faith the cross is only wood, the bread baked wheat, the wine sour grapes. If you had cast the cross away, you should have beaten me another night. In a way, I had hoped it might be so. It has been long since I had met a opponent of any real worth. The boy makes ten of you, false priest."