I've read the whole thread now, and though I can relate to Thomas's way of thinking, and I find it good, but my lower instincts says fry the freak! But I won't divulge in that, not now.
I think it was very good of the Detroit PD to start this sting, I hope they have many more up and running. This is what I think this thread sholud be about. How to catch them freaks. We won't catch them by asking all the children, althougfh many can be caught that way. How can a child know if a photo taken in the bathtub is being used wrongly on the net? I wouldn't post any of my nieces pics on the net, not one picture. shheeesh, imagining some freak... nonono.
Imagine what kind of dirty cybercrap those policeofficers had to read and look at in order to catch on freak? Chapeau, takes some guts to do that. Any sane person would probably want to kill and maim the whole time. Like some posters here on this thread.
Enough on punishment,
How to catch the freaks?
I'm not a child physcologist so all I can give is my personal opinion which I believe a lot of other people would agree with, especially mothers. I know first hand that at 15 I was not emotionally ready for sex and at 16 when I lost my virginity(consentual) I was not prepared educationally for sex as well as emotionally. My point is that just because a young woman has reached puberty and has started menstrating, it doesn't mean that she should be labelled as ready to have sexual intercourse. Some girls are starting to menstrate as early as 9.
Now I'm not going to turn a blind eye to the fact that my daughter could be sexually active but we have a line of communication that I feel that I know her pretty well and that she won't be jumping into a situation until she is ready.
Quote:For instance, are you focusing on loss of virginity ?
or upon organic tissue injury to the victim ?
or upon resulting deleterious mental effects,
regardless of any consent of the victim ?
If so, in your opinion,
can you anticipate what those consequential mental effects are ?
All of the above and no I could not anticipate what exactly the mental effects are since they probably vary from each individual.
Oh, and then you have US law that states an adult cannot have sexual relations with a minor. Clearly an 8 year old is a minor.
Quote:Do you wish to specify
what negative emotional effects resulted
( if its not too personal ) ?
Not really, I wasn't traumatised, just not mature enough to do it for the right reasons. But this thread isn't about me.
martybarker wrote:Not really, I wasn't traumatised, just not mature enough to do it for the right reasons. But this thread isn't about me.
Sure. It's about a ficticious five-year old girl, a ficticious mother offering her up for grown-up men to rape, and a real prosecutor accused of having accepted the offer. Nobody's disagreeing about the heinousness of raping five-year olds.
Moreover, this thread has become about real posters in this thread who approved of lynching child rapists in prison. On that point, there has been lots of disagreement.
My car was stolen a few weeks ago.
I was pretty mad about it.
I 'd have wanted to have those damned crooks imprisoned and sodomized.
Serve them right.
I'm not talking to anyone in particular here - This was just what I wrote after reading the thread, that's all - I surprised myself
there was a time when I used to fantasize about revenge.
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An eye for an eye?
Children should always come first. As far as I can make out - revenge is simply joining in with the abuser and acting like him
how will that help an abused child?
Now the kid has two lunatics to deal with, instead of one.
F*cking great - good thinking
I suggest that revenge is not just self-destructive, but utterly pointless, because it defeats the object, by turning the abuser into a victim, there by vindicating him (in his own mind).
Many abusers were themselves abused and want you to become part of their chain - their 'pattern' of abuse.
It suits them to turn you into an abuser or murderer - they encourage violence (even against themselves) because that is all they know.
It is lazy, revenge. And in a way, (to me) it condones the initial crime.
I sympathise with any parent on this matter, but if you become an abuser/torturer/murderer - even as an act of revenge, that makes you an advocator of the initial abuser's methods of gaining power - and he has achieved far more than he'd ever dreamed (in terms of power over you).
Apart from anything else - what about your abused child, when you go to prison for chopping a man's dick off?
Think that will sort out all their problems for them?
I'm not saying that if someone I loved was raped
I'm not saying I wouldn't react
I've no idea what i'd do....but I think if we really care about ending child abuse - we have to look very hard at ourselves and the fabric of our own society and seriously come to some conclusions about why our children (and our elderly) are not safe in their own country.
A man who would rape a 5 year old is evil yes, but mostly he is pathetic. (And I'm speaking of his character - not the act itself).
If you demonise him you are playing his game.
Child abusers, like all other ignorant and self-indulgent torturers of the human mind and body, should be calmly removed from society. But if we really want an abuse free society, isn't it is up to us to set the example and make advocating abuse or murder socially unacceptable?
I mean, what is it like for say a 14 year old reading this thread? For example?
There are a hell of a lot of adults here calling for mutilation, sexual abuse and murder. Surely if what that guy did was wrong (and it was) - surely - his intended actions should be utterly condemned?
You can't say that rape is good for some and bad for others. You're either with the rapists or against them.
I mean, if you hate sex abusers so much - why would you want to be one?
If we really want to end abusive behaviour - we shouldn't tolerate it at all- in ourselves or in others around us. (and that includes our leaders).
I believe it is a basic human right for a child (every child on Earth) to grow up safe (from abuse, war, poverty and all other manufactured and unnecessary cruelty).
Child abuse is everywhere, that's the terrible truth. What ever form the terror comes in - we are traumatising children all over the world.
Imagine a world where children were not being brought and sold, nor dying of starvation or aids or war or poverty or neglect
where there was peace and equal rights for all - where people of all ages felt safe to mix in their own communities
Would that be an easy world for a child molester to hide in?
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Thanks for reading all that
What did it take you?? 5 minutes?
well if you disagree with what i've got to say
you'll be pleased to know
I spent f*cking hours writing it!!
Peace
Endy
That's what I always said: revenge makes you no better than the criminal.
Capital punishement (death penalty) is merely revenge...
Francis wrote:That's what I always said: revenge makes you no better than the criminal.
Capital punishement (death penalty) is merely revenge...
The victim did not deserve the abuse that was inflicted on him
(
like my car having been stolen ).
The revenge is justified by what the abuser did
( stealing my car ).
If an abuser were imprisoned and forcibly sodomized,
I 'd consider that justice was served.
David
P.S.:
Do that to him one more time
( and after he gets out,
make him go thru out
his neighborhood, telling all his neighbors that he is a danger to keeping their cars )
and post his name on-line, as a car thief.
OmSigDAVID wrote:If an abuser were imprisoned and forcibly sodomized,
I 'd consider that justice was served.
In that case, I suggest you start up an initiative to introduce rape as a regular punishment for certain crimes, just as joefromchicago suggested. But don't forget to abolish the 8th amendment first.
OmSigDAVID wrote:The victim did not deserve the abuse that was inflicted on him.
Obviously not, no doubt about that.
The same way, a volunteer who devoted his whole life to cancer research, does not deserve to die from cancer.
It's up to the others to find a way to prevent cancer...
Francis wrote:OmSigDAVID wrote:The victim did not deserve the abuse that was inflicted on him.
Obviously not, no doubt about that.
The same way, a volunteer who devoted his whole life to cancer research, does not deserve to die from cancer.
It's up to the others to find a way to prevent cancer...
I surmise that u r endeavoring to analogize,
but I am sad to confess that I did not get your point.
Wanna try again ?
Endymion wrote:I'm not talking to anyone in particular here - This was just what I wrote after reading the thread, that's all - I surprised myself
there was a time when I used to fantasize about revenge.
************************************************************
An eye for an eye?
Children should always come first. As far as I can make out - revenge is simply joining in with the abuser and acting like him
how will that help an abused child?
Now the kid has two lunatics to deal with, instead of one.
F*cking great - good thinking
I suggest that revenge is not just self-destructive, but utterly pointless, because it defeats the object, by turning the abuser into a victim, there by vindicating him (in his own mind).
Many abusers were themselves abused and want you to become part of their chain - their 'pattern' of abuse.
It suits them to turn you into an abuser or murderer - they encourage violence (even against themselves) because that is all they know.
It is lazy, revenge. And in a way, (to me) it condones the initial crime.
I sympathise with any parent on this matter, but if you become an abuser/torturer/murderer - even as an act of revenge, that makes you an advocator of the initial abuser's methods of gaining power - and he has achieved far more than he'd ever dreamed (in terms of power over you).
Apart from anything else - what about your abused child, when you go to prison for chopping a man's dick off?
Think that will sort out all their problems for them?
I'm not saying that if someone I loved was raped
I'm not saying I wouldn't react
I've no idea what i'd do....but I think if we really care about ending child abuse - we have to look very hard at ourselves and the fabric of our own society and seriously come to some conclusions about why our children (and our elderly) are not safe in their own country.
A man who would rape a 5 year old is evil yes, but mostly he is pathetic. (And I'm speaking of his character - not the act itself).
If you demonise him you are playing his game.
Child abusers, like all other ignorant and self-indulgent torturers of the human mind and body, should be calmly removed from society. But if we really want an abuse free society, isn't it is up to us to set the example and make advocating abuse or murder socially unacceptable?
I mean, what is it like for say a 14 year old reading this thread? For example?
There are a hell of a lot of adults here calling for mutilation, sexual abuse and murder. Surely if what that guy did was wrong (and it was) - surely - his intended actions should be utterly condemned?
You can't say that rape is good for some and bad for others. You're either with the rapists or against them.
I mean, if you hate sex abusers so much - why would you want to be one?
If we really want to end abusive behaviour - we shouldn't tolerate it at all- in ourselves or in others around us. (and that includes our leaders).
I believe it is a basic human right for a child (every child on Earth) to grow up safe (from abuse, war, poverty and all other manufactured and unnecessary cruelty).
Child abuse is everywhere, that's the terrible truth. What ever form the terror comes in - we are traumatising children all over the world.
Imagine a world where children were not being brought and sold, nor dying of starvation or aids or war or poverty or neglect
where there was peace and equal rights for all - where people of all ages felt safe to mix in their own communities
Would that be an easy world for a child molester to hide in?
********************************************************
Thanks for reading all that
What did it take you?? 5 minutes?
well if you disagree with what i've got to say
you'll be pleased to know
I spent f*cking hours writing it!!
Peace
Endy
I'm guilty of thinking of a slow terrible torture for these maggots who hurt children.
For me certain subjects are better discussed face to face with people of the same feelings for humanity.
What is happening to children, and women today at the hands of sick maggots is a subject that makes me very angry.
Today few people care about what is happening to children, and women.
These are very dangerous times, and many people are more afraid than they care to admit. Unbelievable changes will knock on everyones door.
"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." Voltaire
Please take care of yourself
AngeliqueEast wrote:I'm guilty of thinking of a slow terrible torture for these maggots who hurt children.
For me certain subjects are better discussed face to face with people of the same feelings for humanity.
In that case, we better don't discuss this matter, face to face or online. You and I clearly don't have the same feelings for humanity.
OmSigDAVID wrote:The subject matter of the debate n dispute,
as I understand it, Francis,
is the morality of revenge ( perhaps, in kind ),
and the degree thereof, upon the first abuser.
There's NO morality in revenge.
