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Prosecutor Arrested In Sex Sting Involving 5 yr old Girl

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 10:20 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Can u tell us anything at all
of how u reached your fundamental, axiomatic decision
concerning the equality of all lives ?

Not in detail, but it had to do with being impressed by this ancient document saying "we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalinable rights, and that among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

It also had to do with learning about a period of my contry's history, which Godwin's law prevents me from naming. During this period, powerful and influential people arrogated to themselves the power of deciding which lives were worthy of living and which were not. Having learned about this part of my country's history, I decided that identifying lebensunwertes Leben is a project I want nothing to do with, and prefer to try to stop in its tracks.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 12:30 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:

For my own part,
at the age of 11, I had a 17 year old girl,
and a few months later a 23 year old girl
successfully approach me with sexual motives.

I erotically enjoyed it then,
and I look back on each of those experiences
with fondness now; I wud not give them up.
Technically, thay were each pedophilia,


You don't seem very well acquainted with the technical definition of pedophilia. Technically defined, as opposed to the wide-ranging colloquial definitions, pedophilia is a preference or exclusive taste for pre-pubescent children in an adult.

Thusly, an adult who incessantly fantasizes about 8-year-old girls is a pedophile, regardless of whether the adult ever acts on the impulses. Likewise, a 17-year-old girl who has sex with an 11-year-old boy is not necessarily a pedophile.

The operative part of the definition for this paraphilia is not the age of consent law.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 08:07 pm
Paaskynen wrote:


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The Who would you save question is a totally useless.

Sorry.
I 'll try to come up with better questions in the future.



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There is no way to measure the value of someone's life:
Could ComSig David answer the following and state his reasons:

I 'll take a shot at it.


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A pedophile and his victim are in mortal danger.
The pedophile is an intelligent cultured man who loves the good life,
good food, hunts, writes and paints. He has a loving wife and three kids
who are doing well in school. He is a gifted scientist and in ten years time
will discover a cure for cancer. The victim is just a young Arab boy and
his name is Osama Bin Laden. Who would you save?

Before answering,
I need more information:

1 ) What kind of a pedophile are we discussing here ?
Is he a violent and bloody sodomite ? or just kissing the boy and patting him on the head ?
At the time of my deciding,
do I KNOW that he will cure cancer ?
What will curing cancer do
to consumption of earth 's natural resources with overpopulation ?

2 ) At the time of rendering my choice,
do I KNOW that the boy will, in time, instigate the Moslem war against the West,
including the 9/11 attacks upon the WTC ?


If the pedophile makes love to the boy ( Laden )
I doubt that this will have much effect upon the future events of 9/11/1.
Laden was wealthy; chances are that, in his boyhood, he was armed well enuf
to defend himself from any pedophile he chose to resist.

( I was. )

David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 08:44 pm
Robert Gentel wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:

For my own part,
at the age of 11, I had a 17 year old girl,
and a few months later a 23 year old girl
successfully approach me with sexual motives.

I erotically enjoyed it then,
and I look back on each of those experiences
with fondness now; I wud not give them up.
Technically, thay were each pedophilia,


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You don't seem very well acquainted with the technical definition of pedophilia.
Technically defined, as opposed to the wide-ranging colloquial definitions,
pedophilia is a preference or exclusive taste for pre-pubescent children in an adult.

Thusly, an adult who incessantly fantasizes about 8-year-old girls is a pedophile,
regardless of whether the adult ever acts on the impulses.


Likewise, a 17-year-old girl who has sex with an 11-year-old boy
is not necessarily a pedophile.

How about the other girl ?




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The operative part of the definition for this paraphilia is not the age of consent law.

I see.
Thank u for this information, Mr. Gentel.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 09:03 pm
Thomas wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Can u tell us anything at all
of how u reached your fundamental, axiomatic decision
concerning the equality of all lives ?

Not in detail, but it had to do with being impressed by this ancient document saying "we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalinable rights, and that among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."


Thank u, Thomas.
I believe that I understand somewhat better now.

With your permission,
may I offer these thoughts, for your consideration,
concerning Jefferson 's philosophy ?

1 ) That men were CREATED equal does not mean
that thay remain that way; hence,
one man will drink himself into an early grave and destitution,
whereas another may be more attentive
and live a longer and wealthier life; ( this is unequal ).

2 ) Some of their rights ( e.g.: life ) may be unalienable,
meaning that the owner of the right cannot legally sell it, nor give it away,
and if he sells it or gives it away, the courts will not enforce the contract;
HOWEVER: that does not mean that those rights are absolute and
immune to forfeiture. For instance, if the owner commits murders
and robberies, his life and his liberty might be forfeited.


May I observe that altho I do not agree with some of your philosophical conclusions,
I enjoy your mind, and your ability to reason.
It is refreshing.
That applies also to Walter.

David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 09:36 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
If a person's life value = 10 points by virtue of being born; I think it would be fair to deduct 10 points for each instance of child molestation, yes. As you know well; I see no value whatsoever in maintaining the lives of heinous criminals until death. One man's traditional rhetoric is another's common sense. An innocent child is infinitely more valuable than that of the pedophile.


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It really might be that I've a Christian faith and live in a civilised surrounding

Did Jesus comment upon
the relative merit or value of predator and victim, Walter ?
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 10:56 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:

How about the other girl ?


The 23-year old? She would have to have had a sexual preference for pre-pubescent children. So it would depend on what puberal development you had reached as well as whether she actually had a preference (usually closer to exclusivity in pedophiles) for that age level.

Otherwise it could have been transitive curiosity or perhaps another variation of chronophilia, of which pedophilia is a subset. But from what little I know of the situation I'm fairly certain she would not fit the technical definition of pedophilia.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 11:00 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:

1 ) That men were CREATED equal does not mean
that thay remain that way; hence,
one man will drink himself into an early grave and destitution,
whereas another may be more attentive
and live a longer and wealthier life; ( this is unequal ).


One can also be born without a defect that makes them "unequal" at birth. But that's not the kind of equality being referred to and the text does not connote equality of the individuals but equality of their inherent rights, which the text goes on to say is "unalinable", meaning yes they remain that way.
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Francis
 
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Reply Wed 10 Oct, 2007 12:20 am
Rights that are unalinable, I'll give away readily, but I'm just a alien.. Rolling Eyes
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Paaskynen
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 10:21 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I 'll take a shot at it.


Thank you for proving the point that one cannot make a judgment about the value of a life without knowing all about a person. (I thought at first you might take the easy way out land let them both perish and hope that you wouldn't be diagnosed with terminal cancer in ten years.) And even if you knew all about a person, who are you to make that judgment, a life that is useless to you, might be very valuable to others.

Thomas has a point that those who thought they had the right to determine what life was allowed to exist and what not are on the blackest pages of our history books.
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