Prosecutor Arrested In Sex Sting Involving 5 yr old Girl

dlowan, I'm leaving now. Go pick at someone else who disagrees with you.
Hey, how about defending the unknown predator that abducted Madeleine? He deserves your compassion too.

My post was not aimed at you Thomas, so I was not putting words in your mouth. Im sorry if it sounded that way.

I was speaking generally, my opinion. Nothing more.

But,I do not think these feelings are in anyway wrong, incorrect, or out of line.

Primitive? Absolutely. 100%

We as humans have , for hundreds of thousands of years killed, punished, and done things that others would consider "brutal and un civilized" to survive and continue thriving.

These feelings are in our nature. Every human is capable of killing. And as a species, we have done that for a long time.
To say other wise is silly.

It is a part of who we are to feel strongly like that. And there is nothing wrong with it. Where the wrong begins , is to DO IT ourselves.
And I am not saying I would be the one to hold someone down while they were raped, nor would I be the one to shoot someone in the head to kill them.

But in some cases, I don't personally care what happens to people like this child molester, no matter what is potential of rehabing is. And I do sort of hope that he gets hurt in some way as well so that he can feel what it is like.
I would not shed a tear, I would not feel remorse, nor would I question if he was ever raped, killed, or tortured.

Would that make everything right? Of course not.

That is kind of an obvious answer. If killing the rapist restored the victim, then killing them would be common day practice and people would be QUESTIONING those who were not killed.

But that is obviously not the case. Im not saying that murder, rape or any other torture would "make it right'.

I just see people who are broken like that a waste of society. They are broken in a way that is just wrong and sort of unexplainable... On many levels and we all know it.
We all feel it when we think about what these people do. Our instincts tell us they are 'bad' people, and our own guts make us feel bad so we shield our children, family and friends from people like this as best we can. So why , if you don't trust them is it not ok to not feel bad if they get hurt?
That isn't "uncivilized" that is pretty normal.

There is a difference between compassion with people and opposing the deliberate murdering and raping of them. I remain stunned by how many people in this thread aren't getting this difference. (Strangely, all of them are Americans.)

No surprise here...

Of course this "child molester" may not have ever molested a child. His story about being gentle may have been an attempt to try to become a child molester by soothing the fears of the fictitious mother.

Sure they guy had sick fantasies but there isn't anything illegal about that, is there? There certainly isn't any need to wish him dead because his fantasies were sick.

(I'll agree he was trying to act on them but that isn't the same thing as actually having molested a child.)

I am not picking at you, I am disagreeing with you forcefully.

(Though the comment about "are you happy with that" was unneccessaril mean, I do acknowledge, and I apologise for that. I will not apologise for arguing with you forcefully, nor will I allow you to call that "picking at" without challenge.)


And once again you are making that unwarranted and illogical leap that leaves me gasping with puzzlement that people insist on continuing to make it, that condemning equal brutality as a response to criminal behaviour is defending and condoning the criminal behaviour concerned.


It's the same as the ongoing nonsense that the right used to try to get away with here, that being abainst the Iraq war was supporting terrorism.


It is a logical flaw that is achingly obvious.


Nemmind. Sigh.

Not that we ever will, but just say if we did catch Bin Laden... It wouldn't be right to execute him?

I oppose the death penalty on the basis of the number of wrong convictions. I don't want there to be a death sentence in our current system just because I know there are too many innocent people sitting on death row and one innocent person put to death is beyond horrible, to me.

But, if we know they are guilty of murder, it's not okay to execute them?

We're supposed to just lock them up until they die of natural causes? We already have the highest prison population on earth, and that doesn't appear to be a deterrent either.

I disagree....I think once you take the step of beginning to actualize your fantasy you are over a line into illegality, just as you are if you look at child porn.


Actually, the kinds of rapes that the revenge folk here have been talking about are rare. Most child abuse doesn't leave PHYSICAL scars.....and is very hard to find forensic evidence for, except sometimes very close to the event.


The cases that are especially physically brutal tend to be the ones that grab headlines.

IMO, what pedophiles do is worse than murder. Personally, I'd like to see the law changed so that repeat offenders get the death penalty, or life without possibility of parole.

No, not for me. As you cannot revive the murdered persons, it's just legal revenge to kill the murder.

Much better is to condemn him for life.

About the highest prison population, trapping people in minor offenses is not, in my view, the best way to get rid of it...

I shouldn't have clicked this thread again.....

but,

Thomas, you are in Germany? Are you German? If so, don't even go there talking about us Americans. Look at your own history.
That's all I'll say about that.
But you were the one that started dissing the American public.

I think we as Americans react with these kinds of thoughts because our justice system is flawed and we are sick of it. We're sick of plea bargaining, and we're sick and tired of the bad guys getting the compassion.

Who mentioned the Madelaine case? Any Portuguese, British or an American who react with these kinds of thoughts because her justice system is flawed?

What the heck, happycat?

Couldn't that be part of why Thomas doesn't treat this subject as lightly as you do? As in, if it had any bearing at all, I'd think it would go the opposite direction of what you imply. (How should he -- born well after the war -- bear any responsibility for what happened then?)

(Though I'm another American who thinks that the rah-rah stuff is disturbing.)

If you gave him a fair trial first -- not one of those Guantanamo Bay monkey trials -- this question would boil down to whether you're pro- or anti capital punishment.

But that's not the analogy to the scenarios happycat and you phantasized about. The right analogy would be that in Abu Gharib, outside the rule of law, conveniently "out of control" prison guards rape Osama Bin Laden and beat him to death -- to the applause of public opinion in America. That I would fiercely oppose, even if I philosophically supported capital punishment.

a. People here were not just talking about execution, they were calling for brutalization and sadistic and illegal punishment.

b. Your prisons are full. You are almost alone in condoning state killing...have a look at who your colleagues are in the world in this. You have, it would seem, made the point that execution doesn't work, too, haven't you? If it does, why are your prisons full? So...if you continue to advocate execution, you appear to me to be advocating that brutality that has no positive effect should continue.

The only purpose, then, would seem to be revenge. That seems to be deeply embedded in our psyches....and I note that it has been a means of social control common earlier in our history, and in countries without effective judicial systems. (You know, the blood fued thing that decimates families in some countries) I would have hoped that it was a primitive desire we were learning not to act on....as part of the process of becoming more humane as a culture.....

I actually see capital punishment and unexamined and criticised toleration of calls for great brutality in response to criminal behaviour as something that damages the structure of society. On a large scale, it allows stuff like the invasion of Iraq.


I think it the kind of thinking that, in some circumstances, condones things like terrorism.



I think it's dangerous.

1) Having been born in 1969, I am not responsible for my own country's history -- not for the part you're probably referring to. By contrast, the people posting in this thread are responsible for what they're saying here.

2) Since when am I not allowed to learn from my own country's history?


I wasn't dissing the American public. I made a factual statement about the particular people who had posted in this particular thread; the statement was correct at the time I made it. In the meantime, parados and Sozobe have come in and refuted it, and I'm glad they did.

I wasn't endorsing or fantasizing. It was a weak attempt at early morning humor using the guys own words. I wouldn't want it to happen as a way of revenge, but as I stated in a later post, I know it does happen. (Usually by other inmates, not the guards.)

sozobe - Thomas is the one that brought up the Americans. I retaliated with the Germans. I never said he bore any responsibility....I just said don't start with the American thing....it has no bearing. If I didn't have my location on my avatar, no one would even know where I was. I could very well be in Germany....(or even France, Francis.)

Those who said that this potential (although I'm sure he's acted before)
child molester hadn't acted on his fantasies, and fantasies are just that...thoughts, well, these are just my thoughts. I haven't acted on my thoughts either.

As far as the Rah Rah comment, I was being sarcastic sozobe. I wasn't cheerleading, yet someone was acting as if I were.

Acknowledged. Make it "the scenario happycat was fantasizing about..."

I've often wondered about the motivation for the molestation of child molesters in prisons.

Is it because they are seen by the prison population as evil for attacking children or is it because they are seen as weak, unable to prey on adults, and therefor not capable of defending themselves?