Insulting people in lieu of reason/logic is the liberal way.

Dookie, had you gone to school with me at the Ozark Hillbilly Academy, you would have known that without being told. But now that you know, you will have 5 points deducted from your next post if you misspell that word again. Sorry, but that's the only way you will learn.

Dookie, had you gone to school with me at the Ozark Hillbilly Academy, you would have known that without being told. But now that you know, you will have 5 points deducted from your next post if you misspell that word again. Sorry, but that's the only way you will learn.

CoastalRat wrote:

Dookie, had you gone to school with me at the Ozark Hillbilly Academy, you would have known that without being told. But now that you know, you will have 5 points deducted from your next post if you misspell that word again. Sorry, but that's the only way you will learn.

I looked up the word when Dookie first used it to avoid misspelling and he (she?) had spelled it correctly the first time. The second time s/he typoed it. I absolutely positively refuse to let the typo police get a foothold here, however, because I would then have to quit A2K (though that would no doubt make some very happy. )

CoastalRat wrote:

Dookie, had you gone to school with me at the Ozark Hillbilly Academy, you would have known that without being told. But now that you know, you will have 5 points deducted from your next post if you misspell that word again. Sorry, but that's the only way you will learn.

And another grammar Nazi chimes in.

Boy, don't you guys have anything more substantive to talk about on Foxfyre's thread? I mean, seriously...

CoastalRat wrote:

Dookie, had you gone to school with me at the Ozark Hillbilly Academy, you would have known that without being told. But now that you know, you will have 5 points deducted from your next post if you misspell that word again. Sorry, but that's the only way you will learn.

And another grammar Nazi chimes in.

Boy, don't you guys have anything more substantive to talk about on Foxfyre's thread? I mean, seriously...

Foxfyre wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I think such comments to be completely stupid, inane, uncreative, and ignorant.

I agree and I think your comment falls into the same category.

That's a fair comment. Saying that my comment is stupid, inane, uncreative, and ignorant is quite different from saying that Foxfyre is stupid, inane, uncreative, and ignorant (or pick an adjective of choice.) But in order to have a discussion, you need to say WHY my comment is so completely off base. I have been providing illustrations of why I think it is correct. Why do you think it is not?

That's already been answered by CoastalRat who I agree with (often). It's an unfair and unrealistic generalization based on a few usual suspects and/or your own sensitivity and slanted perception. (That's not an attack on you -- we all have slanted perception.)

Just because you experience hostility mostly from people you've arbitrarily decided to brand as liberals does not mean it's "the liberal way". In fact, you are almost guaranteed to experience hostility from more liberals than "others" because one of the first things you do in an argument with anyone is declare them to be "liberals".

I also took Coastal Rat's post on the spelling issue to be affirmation of Dookiestix and not a criticism.

Dookiestix wrote:

CoastalRat wrote:

Dookie, had you gone to school with me at the Ozark Hillbilly Academy, you would have known that without being told. But now that you know, you will have 5 points deducted from your next post if you misspell that word again. Sorry, but that's the only way you will learn.

And another grammar Nazi chimes in.

Boy, don't you guys have anything more substantive to talk about on Foxfyre's thread? I mean, seriously...

Sorry if my being a bit silly escaped you there Dook. I think it is silly to point out someone's spelling errors, which could indeed be a typo as Fox wrote. I was actually pointing out the silliness of the poster who brought it up.

Golly, we get a thread about insults and suddenly everyone gets sensitive. What is a clown to do?

If you do not consider yourself to be a Liberal, then you are quite correct to correct me on that point. It was not intended as a personal insult however, and if you took it that way, I regret any offense. That has just been my general perception, but our perception is always our own in any case.

Pointing out irony is not in itself ad hominem. Pointing out irony in a way to suggest hypocrisy is.

But your post here, Rabbit, is such a beautiful illustration of the point I was making when Kicky opted to use my post as the subject of this thread.

Thanks for another beautiful illustration Parados. Rather than show how the statement is wrong, you, like Dlowan, presume to put me down for making the statement. And, it is on that basis that I say personal insults are the 'liberal way'.

Well so far its just those who don't deny being liberals who are objecting to the statement and so far all have objected by criticizing and/or insulting me for making it.

My quote that Kicky started the thread with was directed as a personal insult to nobody--it was in response to a friend who was denying he was a liberal--but the libs here seem to be taking it as a personally directed insult. (Generally I find that those most guilty of something will do that--okay that was a cheap shot but it was irrisistible. )

Look at the posts on this thread and then tell me that one side doesn't do it more than the other.

I will say however, that you continue to reinforce the points that I've been making so keep up the good work.

So I made an observation based on that fact. My observation contained no insult directed at you, but it is interesting that you seem to have taken it as a personal insult, but then perhaps that is the Liberal way too.

So far, however, I have not had confidence in my perception shaken on this thread.

Well the 'insult' in question in this thread was actually directly at an individual within a particular context and subject that was being discussed.

The context in which the statement was made, however, was not to say that Conservatives are less likely to be insulting than are Liberals likely to be insulting. That would be a different subject.

The context in which it was made was that the Liberal who is out of ammunition in an argument is more likely to start throwing personal insults in lieu of rational argument.

Possibly you are correct. My perception is based on pattern. I frequently disagree with Conservative members on A2k who rarely respond with ad hominem attacks or criticism of me personally and if they do, such criticism is generally gentle and civil.

The Conservatives usually illustrate what they perceive to be error in my point of view or the points I make and sometimes they are right. Sometimes I think they aren't.

Foxfyre wrote:

If you do not consider yourself to be a Liberal, then you are quite correct to correct me on that point. It was not intended as a personal insult however, and if you took it that way, I regret any offense. That has just been my general perception, but our perception is always our own in any case.

I neither understood that as an insult nor did I feel at all offended.

Foxfyre wrote:

Pointing out irony is not in itself ad hominem. Pointing out irony in a way to suggest hypocrisy is.

If that's the case, then I am proud to present to you a veritable cascade of ad hominems:

Foxfyre wrote:

But your post here, Rabbit, is such a beautiful illustration of the point I was making when Kicky opted to use my post as the subject of this thread.

Foxfyre wrote:

Thanks for another beautiful illustration Parados. Rather than show how the statement is wrong, you, like Dlowan, presume to put me down for making the statement. And, it is on that basis that I say personal insults are the 'liberal way'.

Foxfyre wrote:

Well so far its just those who don't deny being liberals who are objecting to the statement and so far all have objected by criticizing and/or insulting me for making it.

Foxfyre wrote:

My quote that Kicky started the thread with was directed as a personal insult to nobody--it was in response to a friend who was denying he was a liberal--but the libs here seem to be taking it as a personally directed insult. (Generally I find that those most guilty of something will do that--okay that was a cheap shot but it was irrisistible. )

Foxfyre wrote:

Look at the posts on this thread and then tell me that one side doesn't do it more than the other.

Foxfyre wrote:

I will say however, that you continue to reinforce the points that I've been making so keep up the good work.

Foxfyre wrote:

So I made an observation based on that fact. My observation contained no insult directed at you, but it is interesting that you seem to have taken it as a personal insult, but then perhaps that is the Liberal way too.

Foxfyre wrote:

So far, however, I have not had confidence in my perception shaken on this thread.

foxfyre wrote:

I just think it is far less common among conservatives when making an argument for a point of view than what we see from some liberals.

like totally for sure a total sack of ****, I assume you mean Gunga, Shiksa, Finn, Omsickdavid, not to mention the martyr of the years Foxfyre. On the other hand, we got Roxxxxanne.

dyslexia wrote:

foxfyre wrote:

I just think it is far less common among conservatives when making an argument for a point of view than what we see from some liberals.

like totally for sure a total sack of ****, I assume you mean Gunga, Shiksa, Finn, Omsickdavid, not to mention the martyr of the years Foxfyre. On the other hand, we got Roxxxxanne.

Interesting you left yourself off this list.

Foxfyre wrote:

Well the 'insult' in question in this thread was actually directly at an individual within a particular context and subject that was being discussed.

Then why not say insult in lieu of logic was that poster's way? You chose instead to generalize that posters behavior to everyone you have designated "liberal". Once you've made the generalization context is no longer important?

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The context in which the statement was made, however, was not to say that Conservatives are less likely to be insulting than are Liberals likely to be insulting. That would be a different subject.

But that seems like exactly what you meant to say and what you continue to argue.

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The context in which it was made was that the Liberal who is out of ammunition in an argument is more likely to start throwing personal insults in lieu of rational argument.

Like CR said, this is true of everyone, yourself and myself included. Frustration at our inability to make a point and fatigue with a conversation often makes us resort to dismissive personal comments. This is not something inherent to the Liberal ideology any more than it is to the Conservative ideology.

Foxfyre wrote:

Possibly you are correct. My perception is based on pattern. I frequently disagree with Conservative members on A2k who rarely respond with ad hominem attacks or criticism of me personally and if they do, such criticism is generally gentle and civil.

Would you say that you say that you disagree with conservatives as often as liberals? With as many distinct conservative posters as liberal posters?

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The Conservatives usually illustrate what they perceive to be error in my point of view or the points I make and sometimes they are right. Sometimes I think they aren't.

And would you say that "liberals" never do this, sometimes do this, or often do this as well?