FreeDuck wrote:Quote:I'll refer you to your quote I used as an example earlier in this post. "Label and dismiss - the Foxfyre way" is a personally directed insult and characterization... of your argument. That is what you have resorted to and is at least as bad as what you accuse others of
Quote:The only way I have characterized the way you debate is to point out that you are focused on me and explaining my shortcomings to me rather than attempting to show how 'the liberal way' has been mischaracterized. So how is that a mischaracterization?No, you indicated that I use insult in place of logic and reason.
Quote:Lordy, Lordy, you really DON'T pay attention do you? (Yes that was an insult.)
Quote:You either are unable to understand my point or won't.
Quote:Quote:Where are these more honest and noble debaters who can understand the distinction you are attempting to make?.
Apparently you aren't one.
Quote:Wow you're really getting into this liberal way of argument. Scratch a liberal long enough, and that often happens.
Fox, after reading this entire thread and most especially this specific post I have come to the conclusion that you are the worst offender of what you are calling "the liberal way". In fact, your statement that started this thread is a perfect example of what you are talking about. I find that you are often snide and insulting in a backhanded sort of way and are shocked to find that you have to stand to account for it. Nobody, not even other staunch conservatives are defending you on this. There's a reason why. It's because you are wrong.
Sometimes, Foxfyre, the thing that bothers us so much about others is something we are guilty of ourselves. If you perceive that you are often attacked unfairly or personally insulted in a debate, maybe it's time to look in the mirror?
Duck, I'll say this one more time and maybe just maybe get through that little yellow round head of yours.
I am arguing a point thrust upon me by Kicky who pulled a quote of mine out of context and used it to start the thread. My whole argument the whole time is that liberals are more likely to focus on their opponent in an insulting way than they are likely to focus on the point their opponent is making. They are far more likely to criticize their opponent for making a point in the first place than they are likely to consider whether the point has any merit.
All I have done here is point out how various members have done just that. They have made me the issue, as you have done here, rather than the point that was being made.
I accept that you see me as an insulting, unacceptable person. Many do. Also many don't. I regret the former. I appreciate the latter. But I have not done anything here other than defend a point that Kicky used as a thread starter and attributed to me. And the ONLY way I could do that is to attempt to put the phrase in the context in which I intended it and to use you and all the others trying to discredit me personally as illustration for my argument in defense of that point. And many of you have cooperated in that effort quite nicely.
I can't think of any way to say it differently than I've already said it, and I know from experience that few will even attempt to see from my point of view. So, I'll apologize for unintentionally ruffling your feathers, and if its's okay with all you guys, I'll leave you to happily trash me as you probably will do and get on with some more productive pursuits. But thanks for the exercise. And the beautiful illustrations that I will probably get to use elsewhere.
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Oh and Kicky, Sweetheart, at some point or another, I did respond to every one of your points. I just don't feel like repeating it all again.
I'm not sure anyone is, which is why she single-handedly proves your premise false. Nimh would make an excellent example as well... and so would Deb for that matter. She may whack you, but you can't say she makes a habit of doing it in lieu of reasoned arguement.
