Hot Dogs Are Offal:
Doctors Prescribe Veggie Dogs
Washington, D.C.?-In light of new findings that frequent consumption of hot dogs and other processed meats is associated with a significant increase in the risk of diabetes, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) today called on sports stadiums, movie theaters, grocery chains, and convenience stores to do their part to promote good health in Americans by promoting vegetarian hot dogs, rather than the usual meat-product variety.
A scientific report published in Diabetes Care in March 2002 showed that in a group of 42,504 health professionals, consuming hot dogs, bacon, salami, or sausage two to four times per week increased the risk of diabetes by 35 percent. Consuming these products five or more times per week increased risk by nearly 50 percent.
A typical "all beef" hot dog derives nearly 60 percent of its calories from fat and contains about 40 milligrams of cholesterol, making it a contributor to the dietary pattern that encourages not only diabetes, but also obesity, heart disease, and other health risks.
"A frankfurter is not 'All-American' and never was. But the diseases promoted by this kind of food have become All-American epidemics," said PCRM president Neal D. Barnard, M.D.
Meatless hot dogs, made of soy or other vegetarian ingredients, are now readily available?-some brands are even owned by meat companies that have seen the need to diversify. They taste very similar to the meat varieties, and many have no fat or cholesterol at all.
"When parents buy their kids meat hot dogs, they are encouraging the eating pattern that leads to obesity and health problems down the road," Dr. Barnard said. "Parents should always demand the vegetarian choice for the sake of their kids."
Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit organization that promotes preventive medicine, particularly good nutrition, and conducts clinical research trials. PCRM also promotes higher standards in research.
PCRM joins other health organizations in favoring vegetarian diets. In 2000, PCRM doctors published a scientific report of the single largest cholesterol reduction ever reported in any diet research trial in women under 50, using a vegetarian diet.
If we leave before the Iraqis can adequately defend themselves, far greater numbers of Iraqi non-murderers will be massed murdered daily than are mass murdered now.
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Quote:If we leave before the Iraqis can adequately defend themselves, far greater numbers of Iraqi non-murderers will be massed murdered daily than are mass murdered now.
i have a few points to make :
- how many american lives should the united states citizens be prepared to lose in a continuing war ? is there a limit at all ?
I'll answer with a counter question. How many American lives should United States citizens be prepared to lose after discontinuing the war? Is there any limit at all?
If America discontinues its participation in the Iraq war after the Iraqis are able to protect themselves and prevent al-Qaeda from re-establishing their training camps in Iraq, then United States citizens would be prepared to lose far fewer American lives than if America discontinues its participation in the Iraq war before the Iraqis are able to protect themselves and prevent al-Qaeda from re-establishing their training camps in Iraq.
- the united states forces lost 50,000 + soldiers in vietnam ; should the united states have continued the war even if that meant losing even more soldiers ?
Yes! The United States had decisively won the Tet offensive and killed thousands of Vietcong and their North Vietnamese allies. The enemy was crippled. Nonetheless, we left because Congress defunded the war incorrectly thinking we had lost.
- i understand that you don't think very highly of "diplomatic relations "
(and i readily admit that i'm not always fully in agreement with what our governments are doing in "diplomatic relations " . i have to admit also however that i know that we are living in an imperfect world . what MAY look black and white to me , may be shades of grey for someone else .)
anyhow , nations do have to try and get along with each other , so with what should "diplomatic relations" be replaced ?
i see no alternative.
Establishing and nurturing diplomatic relations works well with even those who strongly disagree with us. Such relations don't work worth a damn with those agressors committed to defeating us. Whatever we agree to give them in return for non-agression, will be perceived by such agressors as evidence of our weakness and susceptability to being extorted more.
- is it not better for the united states and vietnam to have ended the war and now have "diplomatic relations" , rather than to have continued the war ?
It depends on who you ask. I doubt that the relatives of the 3 million murdered in Southeast Asia after the US pulled out would think it worth the death of those they loved for the sake of establishing diplomatic relations.
It is important to remember that the North Vietnamese wanted only to conquer South Vietnam, while the al-Qaeda suicidal mass murderers want to conquer the world and establish their world Caliphate.
- and getting back to iraq : why is no real effort being made to call together all the nations of the region to try and help in bringing at least some stability(forget peace and democracy for the time being) to iraq and the region ?
it is my understanding that there is now a real danger of the iraq instability spreading in to other countries in the middle-east ; surely that would not be to the benefit of ANY nation ? (or is it ?)
I don't believe there is no such effort being made. The problem is it has yet to succeed.
- as for the "different strategy adopted by the united states " , it seems to be the same policy of waging war - no change there .
The different strategy I was referring to was a different military strategy. Previously we had focused on training and defending Iraqi non-murderers. Now we are focused on attacking and killing the mass murderers of Iraqi non-murderers to drastically reduce their population and their effectiveness in murdering Iraqi non-murderers.
- how much time should the "different strategy" be given to show that it will bring increased stability ?
(thousands of iraqis have already fled the country , many more have left their homes trying to find refuge in other parts of the country.
Until we come up with a more effective strategy to bring increased stability.
Failure to bring increased stability cannot be tolerated. Such failure will prove far more deadly than what we have experienced to date.
imo the four years of war have not brought any stability to the iraqis ... and more american soldiers are dying every day ).
From 01/01/99 until 12/31/02 about 103,000 Iraqi non-killers were mass murdered. From 01/01/03 until 12/31/06 about 61,000 Iraqi non-killers were mass murdered. That's some improvement!
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hbg
ps . and in the meantime the situation in afghanistan does not seem to show much improvement either . i will update my thread on afghanistan shortly , even though there does not seem to much interest in that subject.
What do you think was true in Afghanistan before we invaded Afghanistan 10/6/2001? What do you think is true there now?
We're losing the war in Iraq, so Bush is ready to start another war with Iran.
US 'Iran attack plans' revealed
USS John C Stennis is being deployed to the Persian Gulf
US contingency plans for air strikes on Iran extend beyond nuclear sites and include most of the country's military infrastructure, the BBC has learned.
It is understood that any such attack - if ordered - would target Iranian air bases, naval bases, missile facilities and command-and-control centres.
The US insists it is not planning to attack, and is trying to persuade Tehran to stop uranium enrichment.
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BAGHDAD, Iraq- A car bomb and a suicide attacker killed at least 11 people across Baghdad on Tuesday as militants show increasing defiance of a major security operation in the capital. More than 100 people have been killed in the Baghdad area since Sunday in a direct challenge to efforts by U.S. and Iraqi forces to restore some authority on the streets and give the embattled government some breathing room.
The attacks came during the busy morning rush for goods and fuel. A car rigged with explosives tore through a line of cars at a gas station in the Sadiyah district in southwestern Baghdad. Police said at least six people were killed and 14 injured in the neighborhood, which is mixed between the majority Shiites and Sunnis whose militant factions are blamed for many of the recent bombings and attacks.
Later, a suicide attacker drove a bomb-laden car into a vegetable market near a Shiite enclave in southern Baghdad. At least five people were killed and seven injured, police said. The same market in the mostly Sunni Dora district was targeted last month by three car bombs that killed 10 people.
Outside Baghdad, nearly 150 people were hospitalized complaining of breathing problems, vomiting and other ailments after a truck carrying a chlorine-based substance was hit by a roadside bomb north of Baghdad, said Brig. Gen. Qassim Moussawi, a military spokesman.
Two people died in the blast and the others were treated after being exposed to fumes and debris near Taji, about 12 miles northwest of Baghdad, Moussawi said. All those treated were in stable condition.
On Monday, insurgents staged a bold daylight assault against a U.S. combat post north of Baghdad, killing two soldiers and injuring 17. The U.S. military called it a "coordinated attack"?-which began with a suicide car bombing and then gunfire on soldiers pinned down in a former Iraqi police station, where fuel storage tanks were set ablaze by the blast.
The head-on attack in the town of Tarmiyah, about 30 miles north of Baghdad, was notable for both its tactics and target. Sunni insurgents have mostly used hit-and-run ambushes, roadside bombs or mortars on U.S. troops and stayed away from direct assaults on fortified military compounds to avoid U.S. firepower.
It also appeared to fit a pattern emerging among the suspected Sunni militants: trying to hit U.S. forces harder outside the capital rather than confront them on the streets during a massive American-led security operation.
Mohammed al-Askari, spokesman for Iraq's Defense Ministry, blamed the attack on a cell of al-Qaida in Iraq, which has claimed responsibility for many high-profile strikes. "It's their work," he said.
Altogether, nine U.S. service members have been reported killed since the beginning of the weekend, six of them on Monday.
In Baghdad, Prime Minister Nouri al-Makiki moved quickly to try to defuse a potentially explosive scandal after a Sunni woman claimed she was raped by three officers of the Shiite-dominated police.
But the government's response?-siding with the officers and trying to discredit the allegations?-threatened to bring even more backlash.
A statement by al-Makiki's office accused "certain parties"?-presumably Sunni politicians?-of fabricating the claims in an attempt to undermine security forces during the ongoing Baghdad security operation, which began last week.
The 20-year-old married woman said she was assaulted after police commandos took her into custody Sunday in the western Baghdad neighborhood of Amil, accusing her of helping insurgents. She was taken to a police garrison and raped, she said.
"It has been shown after medical examinations that the woman had not been subjected to any sexual attack whatsoever and that there are three outstanding arrest warrants against her issued by security agencies," the government statement said.
The statement said the allegations were proved false and "the prime minister has ordered that the officers accused be rewarded."
There was no comment from Sunni officials, who expressed outrage over the alleged rape and demanded swift punishment. Sunnis blame the police for many of the death squad killings of Sunnis over the past two years.
In a Baghdad courtroom, six officials from Saddam Hussein's regime pleaded innocent of crimes against humanity for a crackdown on Kurds in the 1980s.
The defendants include Ali Hassan al-Majid, also known as "Chemical Ali," for allegedly ordering poison gas attacks during the campaign, code-named Operation Anfal, which killed an estimated 100,000 Kurds.
The trial began last year with each defendant rejecting the general allegations. The special tribunal now delivered specific charges to end the investigative phase of the proceedings. If convicted, they could face death sentences.
Saddam was a defendant in the Anfal trial but was sentenced to death after his conviction for the killing of 148 Shiite Muslims after a 1982 assassination attempt. He was hanged Dec. 30.

Iraq: the British endgame
· 1,000 troops out by May, all gone by end of 2008
· Pace of pullout much slower than anticipated
Richard Norton-Taylor
Wednesday February 21, 2007
The Guardian
All British troops will be pulled out of Iraq by the end of 2008, starting with the withdrawal of 1,000 in the early summer, the Guardian has learned.
Tony Blair is to announce the moves - the result of months of intense debate in Whitehall - within 24 hours, possibly later today, according to officials.
The prime minister is expected to say that Britain intends to gradually reduce the number of troops in southern Iraq over the next 22 months as Iraqi forces take on more responsibility for the security of Basra and the surrounding areas.
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... Iraq: the British endgame
Quote:· 1,000 troops out by May, all gone by end of 2008
· Pace of pullout much slower than anticipated
Richard Norton-Taylor
Wednesday February 21, 2007
The Guardian
All British troops will be pulled out of Iraq by the end of 2008, starting with the withdrawal of 1,000 in the early summer, the Guardian has learned.
Tony Blair is to announce the moves - the result of months of intense debate in Whitehall - within 24 hours, possibly later today, according to officials.
The prime minister is expected to say that Britain intends to gradually reduce the number of troops in southern Iraq over the next 22 months as Iraqi forces take on more responsibility for the security of Basra and the surrounding areas.
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Today's Must Read
By Paul Kiel - February 21, 2007, 9:12 AM
For those of you who might have wondered about the wisdom of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki....
On Monday, a 20 year-old Sunni woman went on Al Jazeera to say that she had been raped at the hand of three Iraqi policeman the previous day (the police force is overwhelmingly Shiite). The incredibly rare spectacle in Iraq of a woman publicly and graphically describing her rape immediately turned the case into a major scandal. (The New York Times does a very good job of telling the story.)
The woman said the Americans rescued her and gave her medical treatment. She was, according to the U.S. military, admitted to Ibn Sina Hospital, which the U.S. runs. A nurse who treated her at a clinic for Sunnis (it's unclear to me if this was before or after her visit to the hospital), interviewed by the Times, "said that she saw signs of sexual and physical assault."
The U.S. military would only say that they're investigating the case. Maliki was not so circumspect.
After initially issuing a statement promising a full investigation, Maliki suddenly issued a second statement a few hours later, declaring that the woman was a liar and a wanted criminal, and that the three officers were to be rewarded:
"It has been shown after medical examinations that the woman had not been subjected to any sexual attack whatsoever, and that there are three outstanding arrest warrants against her issued by security agencies.... After the allegations have been proven to be false, the prime minister has ordered that the officers accused be rewarded."
Now, I've never run a country riven by sectarian tensions. But I'd say that's not the best way to handle the situation.
Maliki has continued his rampage, firing, or attempting to fire, the head of the agency that tends to Sunni mosques and shrines in Iraq because he called for an international investigation into the rape allegations. The problem with that, apparently, is that he doesn't have the authority to fire him... or at least so the Sunni official says.
This is the man who holds the U.S.'s fate in Iraq in his hands.
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I've said many times - lack of confidence in the leadership has caused more than half of the problems in this war.
Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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I've said many times - lack of confidence in the leadership has caused more than half of the problems in this war.
Cycloptichorn
No! Lack of confidence in the leadership of this war has caused only 49.9% of the problems in this war. The remaining 50.1% are caused by western leftists who prefer Hussein's tyrannical rule over the Iraqi people to Maliki's bungling rule.
Western, leftist bigotry against the 27 million Iraqi people causes their preference. They look at that entire population of Iraqis and perceive almost all to be dedicated to the mass murderer of those non-murderers with whom they disagree. How many of those mass murders are actually committed by Iraqis. How many Iraqi mass murderers are there? I bet less than 27 hundred.
Cyclo, That one incident tells us where Maliki's head is; wrong in every way to find a solution to their problems.
Our involvement only exacerbates the problems in Iraq.
With the Brits pulling out by 2008, I just wonder how many more of our men and women in the military we will sacrifice for a lost cause?
Our lack of involvement would only exacerbate the problems in Iraq far more.
Walter Hinteler wrote:
... Iraq: the British endgame
Quote:· 1,000 troops out by May, all gone by end of 2008
· Pace of pullout much slower than anticipated
Richard Norton-Taylor
Wednesday February 21, 2007
The Guardian
All British troops will be pulled out of Iraq by the end of 2008, starting with the withdrawal of 1,000 in the early summer, the Guardian has learned.
Tony Blair is to announce the moves - the result of months of intense debate in Whitehall - within 24 hours, possibly later today, according to officials.
The prime minister is expected to say that Britain intends to gradually reduce the number of troops in southern Iraq over the next 22 months as Iraqi forces take on more responsibility for the security of Basra and the surrounding areas.
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"... Britain intends to gradually reduce the number of troops in southern Iraq over the next 22 months as Iraqi forces take on more responsibility for the security of Basra and the surrounding areas".
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Oh, I forgot! You, revel, are rooting for us to lose in Iraq--not win.
Clearly, pulling out "as Iraqi forces take on more responsibility for the security of Basra and the surrounding areas" is a win.
