THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

ican, Who are these "disgruntled" who will slander our soldiers?

Find me one.

I'd like to say that I'm hoping that this US invasion of a sovereign nation will be a god-awful flop and mess.

Nicholas De Genova, a Columbia University assistant professor of anthropology and Latino studies, shocked students and faculty at a campus anti-war teach-in on March 26 when he expressed his wish that Iraq would defeat the United States and that there would be "a million Mogadishus." This last comment was meant to refer to a 1993 incident in Somalia when 18 U.S. soldiers were killed during a military operation.

De Genova further insulted America's men and women in uniform by declaring that "the only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military," and accused patriotic citizens of being white supremacists.

cicerone imposter wrote:

ican wrote: It is a disturbed and sadistic mind that wants the coffins of dead military to be put on public display.

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What do you think our country does when a president dies? He lies in state in the capitol so that thousands can view his coffin to pay their respects and to say goodbye.

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Nobody's talking about wanting to put coffins "on public display"

Cicerone Imposter was "talking about wanting to put coffins on public display"

I'm talking about the practice of secretly repatriating dead soldiers (without due honour) because the sight of the coffins would make the administrations policies look bad.

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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=secret&x=24&y=7
Main Entry: 1 se·cret
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1 a : kept from knowledge or view : CONCEALED, HIDDEN <advised> <the> b : marked by the habit of discretion or faithful concealment : loyal to a confidence : trustworthy in preserving secrecy : CONFIDENTIAL, CLOSEMOUTHED, RETICENT c : working with hidden aims or methods : UNDERCOVER <a> d : UNACKNOWLEDGED, UNAVOWED, UNDECLARED <a> <a>
2 : remote from human frequentation or notice : RETIRED, SECLUDED <secret>
3 : known or felt inwardly without avowal <secret> <secret> : INMOST <his>
4 a : revealed only to the initiated : ESOTERIC, MYSTIC <the> b : lying beyond ordinary comprehension : relating to or dealing with mysteries or occult matters : ABSTRUSE, RECONDITE <you>
5 : done or undertaken with evident purpose of concealment <we>
6 : GENITAL <secret>
7 : constructed so as to elude observation or detection <a> <a> or to conceal means or mechanics <secret> <a>
8 : INVISIBLE, UNSEEN
9 : classified below top secret but above confidential in a scale rating the value of information to a nation's security
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The whole world is fed up with American behaviour in Iraq.

McTag wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

ican wrote: It is a disturbed and sadistic mind that wants the coffins of dead military to be put on public display.

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What do you think our country does when a president dies? He lies in state in the capitol so that thousands can view his coffin to pay their respects and to say goodbye.

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Nobody's talking about wanting to put coffins "on public display"

Cicerone Imposter was "talking about wanting to put coffins on public display"

I'm talking about the practice of secretly repatriating dead soldiers (without due honour) because the sight of the coffins would make the administrations policies look bad.

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Huh, secretly repatriating dead soldiers

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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=secret&x=24&y=7
Main Entry: 1 se·cret
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1 a : kept from knowledge or view : CONCEALED, HIDDEN <advised> <the> b : marked by the habit of discretion or faithful concealment : loyal to a confidence : trustworthy in preserving secrecy : CONFIDENTIAL, CLOSEMOUTHED, RETICENT c : working with hidden aims or methods : UNDERCOVER <a> d : UNACKNOWLEDGED, UNAVOWED, UNDECLARED <a> <a>
2 : remote from human frequentation or notice : RETIRED, SECLUDED <secret>
3 : known or felt inwardly without avowal <secret> <secret> : INMOST <his>
4 a : revealed only to the initiated : ESOTERIC, MYSTIC <the> b : lying beyond ordinary comprehension : relating to or dealing with mysteries or occult matters : ABSTRUSE, RECONDITE <you>
5 : done or undertaken with evident purpose of concealment <we>
6 : GENITAL <secret>
7 : constructed so as to elude observation or detection <a> <a> or to conceal means or mechanics <secret> <a>
8 : INVISIBLE, UNSEEN
9 : classified below top secret but above confidential in a scale rating the value of information to a nation's security
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What do you mean secretly?

The names of all of the dead military brought back from Iraq have been published. Each of them have been given military funerals in full view of their families and friends.

What the hell is secret about that?

I said:
What do you mean secretly?

The names of all of the dead military brought back from Iraq have been published. Each of them have been given military funerals in full view of their families and friends.

What the hell is secret about that?

Neither of your links constitute a response to that question. The fact that Bush doesn't want the media to mass video the coffins of our dead military from Iraq is out of respect for those dead military and for the feelings of their families and friends.

Prove me wrong!

Just 10 days on the job, she was handling media coverage for the burial of a Marine colonel who had been killed in Iraq when she noticed that Thurman Higginbotham, the cemetery's deputy superintendent, had moved the media area 50 yards away from the service, obstructing the photographs and making the service inaudible. The Washington Sketch column on April 24 noted that Gray pushed for more access to the service but was "apparently shot down by other cemetery officials."

Gates had his staff inquire with the cemetery about the article and was told that "the policy had not in any way changed," Gates's spokesman, Geoff Morrell, said yesterday. Geren, the Army secretary, added that "the policy has not changed, and I understand the practice hasn't, either."

That, however, is false. Through at least 2005 -- during Rumsfeld's tenure, no less -- reporters were placed in a location where they could hear the prayers and the eulogies and film the handing of the folded flag to the next of kin. The coverage of the ceremonies -- in the nearly two-thirds of cases where families permitted it -- provided moving reminders to a distracted nation that there was a war going on. But the access gradually eroded, and Gray arrived to discover that it was gone.

More than 50,000 military died in the Vietnam war in less than 5 years. Less than 5,000 military died in the Iraq war in more than 5 years.

Clearly photographing our military's coffins during the Vietnam war didn't help much, while not photographing our military's coffins during the Iraq war didn't hurt much.

ican thinks it's for the sake of the soldier and their family to keep it from coffins being published, because as McT has said "I'm talking about the practice of secretly repatriating dead soldiers (without due honour) because the sight of the coffins would make the administrations policies look bad."

It's not about Bush's concern for the families; that's a straw man argument if there ever was one. Bush cut veteran's benefits and services at the same time he was mouthing the words "support our troops." You guys will never learn the truth about the Iraq war if your life depended on it.

I agree it is sick, ican, when the Bush haters want us to lose the war. Despite their best efforts, things continue to look more hopeful in Iraq. Must be depressing for the Dems, thats for sure. Maybe it would make them happier if more soldiers were dying? And even happier if they can take pictures of the coffins. Purpose? The only logical purpose is to convince people that we are losing, to increase pressure to give up, so that we will lose, and more Iraqis will die and also lose, and so terrorists and suicide bombers will win. That is sick, ican, very sick.

Hey McTag, does the press there post pictures of the deceased soldiers coffins as they are unloaded from the planes?