THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

Yes, start bringing our troops home now!

Remove all our troops by the end of the year, if the daily rate of violent deaths in Iraq remains less than 30, while we are removing our troops.

ican711nm wrote:

Yes, start bringing our troops home now!

Remove all our troops by the end of the year, if the daily rate of violent deaths in Iraq remains less than 30, while we are removing our troops.

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I fear, though, that we will end up being in Iraq and Afghan for years. And in the last couple of days a dozen U.S. soldiers have been killed along, probably, with the daily average of civilians.

Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQ-I).33 A numerically small but politically significant
component of the insurgency is non-Iraqi, mostly in a faction called Al Qaeda-Iraq
(AQ-I). Increasingly in 2007, U.S. commanders have seemed to equate AQ-I with
the insurgency, even though most of the daily attacks are carried out by Iraqi Sunni
insurgents.

Ican; AQ in Iraq has never been the only or biggest authors of violence in Iraq. It has just become a Bush propaganda tactic to name all violence AQ and most journalist just report as such like blind sheep. There has always been fighting between Sunnis, Shiite and Kurds and even fighting within those groups and sometimes those groups fighting US troops or Iraqi troops or Iraqi police. Sunni insurgents have turned against the foreign AQ in Iraq which makes AQI even smaller but they still fight other Iraqis and might even use some of the tactics of AQ but they are not all AQ. A failure to realize that there are other problems in Iraq besides AQ will lead a person to think that once AQ has been beaten down in Iraq (I believe they have been except in small places) all the other violence will disappear and that is not the case. It seems like they have just biding their time until we let up on the surge because they have not worked out their differences which would lead to real lasting security gains.

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Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQ-I).33 A numerically small but politically significant
component of the insurgency is non-Iraqi, mostly in a faction called Al Qaeda-Iraq
(AQ-I). Increasingly in 2007, U.S. commanders have seemed to equate AQ-I with
the insurgency, even though most of the daily attacks are carried out by Iraqi Sunni
insurgents.

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The Bush Doctrine: Force our Bush form of democracy down their throats

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The Bush Doctrine: Force our Bush form of democracy down their throats

FTFY

McCain's statement that we might be in Iraq for another 100 years is probably closer to the truth than fiction, since McCain is Bush's disciple.

cicerone imposter wrote:

McCain's statement that we might be in Iraq for another 100 years is probably closer to the truth than fiction, since McCain is Bush's disciple.

And why does that statement bother you?
We have been in Germany and Japan for 60 years and in Korea for 50 years.

Why arent you objecting to that?

Some people will never understand history or apply that history to current events - corrrectly..

cicerone imposter wrote:

Some people will never understand history or apply that history to current events - corrrectly..

We know C.I., but we are trying to help you anyways.

BAGHDAD, March 13 -- Iraqi leaders have failed to take advantage of a reduction in violence to make adequate progress toward resolving their political differences, Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said Thursday.

Petraeus, who is preparing to testify to Congress next month on the Iraq war, said in an interview that "no one" in the U.S. and Iraqi governments "feels that there has been sufficient progress by any means in the area of national reconciliation," or in the provision of basic public services.

The general's comments appeared to be his sternest to date on Iraqis' failure to achieve political reconciliation. In February, following the passage of laws on the budget, provincial elections and an amnesty for certain detainees, Petraeus was more encouraging. "The passage of the three laws today showed that the Iraqi leaders are now taking advantage of the opportunity that coalition and Iraqi troopers fought so hard to provide," he said at the time.