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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

 
 
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2007 04:17 am
realjohnboy wrote:
National Public Radio today hosted a Democratic candidates debate from Des Moines. Everyone was there except Bill Richardson. I hoped that, since it was radio (and NPR) vs television, folks would be more casual, more open.
But I really heard nothing new about the three main topics: Iran, China and China trade, and immigration. They all pretty much stuck to their scripts.
What I found particularly grating was the final question to each candidate, which went something like this: "Is there any issue facing us, the U.S. that you feel that you don't know the answer to?"
I have worded that awkwardly, but none of the candidates, to my hearing, expressed any doubt about anything.
I consider myself to pretty well-informed about what is going on, politically, economically, socialy. And it scares me a bit that there are folks running for President who profess to be convinced that they are right about everything.
.....


Spoken like a thoughtful, properly cautious man.

Clary draws our attention to this, which sees to me to be about right:

"Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right and what is wrong."
- H. L. Mencken
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2007 11:33 am
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2007 04:32 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Who are the "non-murderers" you freakin ignoramous?

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2007 08:33 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
realjohnboy wrote:
As an aside, I admire Nimh tremendously. His knowledge of U.S. politics (along with other countries) is amazing. His graphs are really pretty Yes, he is showing a liberal (Democrat) bias, in my mind on U.S. elections. But I think he always tries to be fair. Nimh rocks.

rjb, I agree 100%. nimh has more insight into American politics than 95% of Americans. I value his posts the most of all the posters, and listen to his recommendations and analysis. He more than rocks; he's the king.

Well, thankee, thank you very much! I'm mightily chuffed. There's been a period recently when it sure seemed like noone regular here seemed to like me much anymore, so, I'm going to take this in gratitude Embarrassed
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2007 08:50 pm
Did you know "chuffed" is actually a word? I didn't know that.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2007 09:19 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
Did you know "chuffed" is actually a word? I didn't know that.


Translate, will you? It's not in any of my dictionaries. Is it something between pleased and embarrassed?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 12:01 pm
This thread had fallen to the second page. Iraq truly has taken a backseat to domestic concerns as the election nears.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL1227097220071212?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

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Triple car bombing kills 40 in southern Iraq
Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:33pm EST

By Aref Mohammed

AMARA, Iraq (Reuters) - Three car bombs ripped through a busy street in the Shi'ite city of Amara on Wednesday, killing 40 people and wounding 125 in one of the deadliest attacks in southern Iraq this year, police said.

The attacks came just days before Britain is to complete the handover of security for the four southern Iraqi provinces it has controlled since 2003, and tensions have been high among rival Shi'ite factions competing for influence.

The street was a scene of chaos, with cars torn apart. A blocked gutter along one street was red with stagnant blood washed from pools on the pavement next to a child's shoes.

"I arrived just after the explosions. It was gruesome and horrible -- pieces of flesh sprayed everywhere," said taxi driver Kazim Mutar, 42.

"They were women, children, market traders. The aim of this explosion was to kill (civilians). There were no security forces or a military patrol or even a governmental institution here."

Amara, capital of Maysan province, already has no foreign troops after Britain handed over responsibility for security in the province to Iraqi forces in April, part of a plan to pull British troops off the streets by the end of this year.

Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the last stage of that plan would go ahead in four days despite the blasts, with Iraqi forces taking control of neighboring Basra province, source of nearly all of Iraq's oil export revenue.

"(The bombing) has nothing to do with Basra. The handover will go ahead on the 16th of this month. The quality of the forces in Basra is excellent," he said at a conference in Basra. It was the first official announcement of the handover date.

One police official in Amara said 40 people had been killed in the blasts, which happened on a busy main street. A health official and the head of the provincial council security committee said 39 were killed and more than 125 wounded.

"Operating rooms are stretched to the limit because of the number of wounded. The city is in shock because it's the first big explosion like this," the police official said by telephone.

Most people were killed in the second and third blasts, police said. Onlookers had gathered after the first blast in a parking lot and were killed or wounded by subsequent bombs.

The British military, relying on Iraqi sources, said 20 people had been killed and put the number of car bombs at two.

British spokesman Major Mike Shearer said Iraqi authorities had not asked for help and Britain had faith they could cope.

RARE IN SOUTH

Outside the south, a separate car bomb in Baghdad killed five people and wounded 13, police said.

Southern Iraq has largely escaped the sectarian carnage that has plagued other parts of the country. Car bombings, often blamed on Sunni Islamist al Qaeda militants, usually happen in and around Baghdad or in provinces north of the capital.

But the south has witnessed a turf war between Shi'ite groups, including supporters of cleric Moqtada al-Sadr and their chief rivals the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council.

Recent months have seen the assassination of two southern provincial governors and several senior police commanders.

Officials said a curfew had been imposed in Amara, a city of several hundred thousand people about 365 km (230 miles) on the Tigris River southeast of Baghdad. They said an undisclosed number of suspects had been detained after the blasts.

Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki condemned the bombings in a statement, calling them a "desperate attempt" to draw attention away from recent security gains across Iraq. State television said the provincial police chief had been sacked.

The bombings came three days after British Prime Minister Gordon Brown paid a brief visit to British forces at their last base in Iraq near Basra, saying they had succeeded in improving security in the south. Britain has 4,500 troops left in Iraq, which Brown has ordered cut to just 2,500 by mid-2008.

Maysan is home to Iraq's isolated Marsh Arabs and has large oil fields. A year ago, clashes broke out between militiamen and police, prompting the dispatch of hundreds of Iraqi troops.

Experts fear Shi'ite factions will intensify their battle for political supremacy in the south with British troops gone. However, there has been a lull in recent weeks in violence in Basra city and officials say factions have agreed a truce.

(Additional reporting by Mussab al-Khairalla in Basra, and Peter Graff, Aseel Kami, Dean Yates and Aws Qusay in Baghdad; Writing by Peter Graff and Dean Yates; Editing by Samia Nakhou)



Also,

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Nice. Real nice.

Cycloptichorn
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 01:18 pm
Random House College Dictionary: chuffed (Brit dialectal) = proud, elated, swollen with pride.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 06:02 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
This thread had fallen to the second page. Iraq truly has taken a backseat to domestic concerns as the election nears.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL1227097220071212?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

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Triple car bombing kills 40 in southern Iraq
Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:33pm EST

By Aref Mohammed
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Quote:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-policewomen11dec11,1,7397870.story?coll=la-headlines-world&ctrack=5&cset=true
From the Los Angeles Times
Iraqi policewomen are told to surrender their weapons
The move is a sign of the religious and cultural conservatism that has taken hold since Hussein's ouster.
By Tina Susman
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

December 11, 2007
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Nice. Real nice.

Cycloptichorn

The murders of Iraqi non-murderers by Iraqi murderers continues to far exceed 30 per day. Even 10 per day would be horrible. Stopping this requires both US and Iraq government competence and persistence, and curtailment of chronic outspoken pessimism by our hate-Bush crowd.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 06:06 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
This thread had fallen to the second page. Iraq truly has taken a backseat to domestic concerns as the election nears.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL1227097220071212?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

Quote:


Print | Close this window
Triple car bombing kills 40 in southern Iraq
Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:33pm EST

By Aref Mohammed
...

...
Quote:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-policewomen11dec11,1,7397870.story?coll=la-headlines-world&ctrack=5&cset=true
From the Los Angeles Times
Iraqi policewomen are told to surrender their weapons
The move is a sign of the religious and cultural conservatism that has taken hold since Hussein's ouster.
By Tina Susman
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

December 11, 2007
...


Nice. Real nice.

Cycloptichorn

The murders of Iraqi non-murderers by Iraqi murderers continues to far exceed 30 per day. Even 10 per day would be horrible. Stopping this requires both US and Iraq government competence and persistence, and curtailment of chronic outspoken pessimism by our hate-Bush crowd.


First of all, I don't hate Bush - I pity him. Please be accurate.

Second of all, I don't plan on curtailing sh*t. That's not what America is about, jack. If it hurts the cause of a war that I don't support in the slightest - good.

Third, taking guns away from Iraqi policewomen is not only sexist, it is against your goals; they cannot be effective law enforcement agents in Iraq without them.

Cycloptichorn
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 07:55 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
This thread had fallen to the second page. Iraq truly has taken a backseat to domestic concerns as the election nears.


I may be wrong. Perhaps others feel differently. This thread may have fallen to the second page because (a) it has degenerated not into a discussion about the topic but a steady succession of personal attacks on posters and (b) an inclination on the part of some to post very long articles "reporting" things most of us already know about.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 09:03 pm
more aftermath notes...

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a civilian candy truck tried to merge with a column of our armored vehicles, only to get run over and squashed. The occupants were smashed beyond recognition. Our first sight of death was a man and his wife both ripped open and dismembered, their intestines strewn across shattered boxes of candy bars. The entire platoon hadn't eaten for twenty-four hours. We stopped, and as we stood guard around the wreckage, we grew increasingly hungry. Finally, I stole a few nibbles from one of the cleaner candy bars. Others wiped away the gore and fuel from the wrappers and joined me.

This incident is notable mainly for the fact that the platoon stopped; from the many accounts I have read of the Iraq war, when a US convoy runs over a car, it usually just keeps going.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20906
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 09:04 pm
Quote:
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a civilian candy truck tried to merge with a column of our armored vehicles, only to get run over and squashed. The occupants were smashed beyond recognition. Our first sight of death was a man and his wife both ripped open and dismembered, their intestines strewn across shattered boxes of candy bars. The entire platoon hadn't eaten for twenty-four hours. We stopped, and as we stood guard around the wreckage, we grew increasingly hungry. Finally, I stole a few nibbles from one of the cleaner candy bars. Others wiped away the gore and fuel from the wrappers and joined me.

This incident is notable mainly for the fact that the platoon stopped; from the many accounts I have read of the Iraq war, when a US convoy runs over a car, it usually just keeps going.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20906
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 09:54 am
From Matt Yglesias, an appropriate header..

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Belfast on the Euphrates
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 02:54 pm
We must win and succeed in Iraq, because we Americans will suffer significant losses of our freedoms, if we do not win and succeed in Iraq.

The USA wins and succeeds in Iraq when the daily rate of violent deaths in Iraq decreases below 30, remains less than 30, while we are removing our troops, and remains less than 30 for at least a year after we have completed our departure.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 03:12 pm
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We must win and succeed in Iraq, because we Americans will suffer significant losses of our freedoms, if we do not win and succeed in Iraq.


Assertion unsupported by fact or logic.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 03:23 pm
ican has a one-track brain; win in Iraq, because we'll lose our freedoms if we don't.

He offers nothing to back up his claims; like a school kid who doesn't understand how Iraq has the influence to overthrow our country's freedoms.

ican is a nut-case.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 03:39 pm
Don't forget the misdeeds of USA under the clan( compassionate or conservative)
Happy Christmas to those who were tortured, butchered, maimed, humiliated for no reason.

Regret for those who had tacidly approved or allowed this .

The inspiration of the citizens depend upon the quality of the leader they
allow to rule or ruin.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 03:59 pm
The term for King Gorge is about to expire in 2009; he's now a lame-duck president with not much going for him. Not much to be said about our lame-duck congress, but the conservatives are blocking 90 percent of the legislation put forward by the democrats. Maybe, 2008 will be the year of a clean sweep-out of the president and congress.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 04:41 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
We must win and succeed in Iraq, because we Americans will suffer significant losses of our freedoms, if we do not win and succeed in Iraq.


Assertion unsupported by fact or logic.

Cycloptichorn

cicerone imposter wrote:
ican has a one-track brain; win in Iraq, because we'll lose our freedoms if we don't.

He offers nothing to back up his claims; like a school kid who doesn't understand how Iraq has the influence to overthrow our country's freedoms.
Neither the country of Iraq or the country of Afghanistan constitute a threat to our freedoms. But too many of the people in both countries do constitute a threat to our freedoms. Some of their associates have not only threatened our freedoms, but have also destroyed the freedoms of too many of us by killing and severely injuring us.

ican is a nut-case.

Here once again is some evidence that al-Qaeda's true intentions are to get Americans to leave Iraq, and follow up our departure with many more 9/11 equivalents or worse.

Osama bin Laden wrote:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
Osama Bin Laden "Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places"-1996.

I say to you ... These youths [love] death as you love life.
…Those youths know that their rewards in fighting you, the USA, is double than their rewards in fighting some one else not from the people of the book. They have no intention except to enter paradise by killing you. An infidel, and enemy of God like you, cannot be in the same hell with his righteous executioner.

… Few days ago the news agencies had reported that the Defence Secretary of the Crusading Americans had said that "the explosion at Riyadh and Al-Khobar had taught him one lesson: that is not to withdraw when attacked by coward terrorists".

We say to the Defence Secretary that his talk can induce a grieving mother to laughter! and shows the fears that had enshrined you all. Where was this false courage of yours when the explosion in Beirut took place on 1983 AD (1403 A.H). You were turned into scattered pits and pieces at that time; 241 mainly marines solders were killed. And where was this courage of yours when two explosions made you to leave Aden in lees than twenty four hours!

But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the "chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu.

Osama bin Laden wrote:

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm
Osama Bin Laden: Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans-1998
… On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah."

Osama bin Laden wrote:

http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00035.html
Al-Qaida Statement Warning Muslims Against Associating With The Crusaders And Idols; Translation By JUS; Jun 09, 2004 from the Al-Qaida Organization of the Arab Gulf; 19 Rabbi Al-Akhir 1425
… No Muslim should risk his life as he may inadvertently be killed if he associates with the Crusaders, whom we have no choice but to kill.

… Everything related to them such as complexes, bases, means of transportation, especially Western and American Airlines, will be our main and direct targets in our forthcoming operations on our path of Jihad that we, with Allah's Power, will not turn away from.


Jordanian journalist, Fouad Hussein in his 2005 book, Al-Zarqawi: al Qaeda's Second Generation, wrote:

Al Qaeda's seven phase plan for world conquest.

Phase 1, the "wakeup call." Spectacular terrorist attacks on the West
(like September 11, 2001) get the infidels (non-Moslems) to make war on
Islamic nations. This arouses Moslems, and causes them to flock to al
Qaedas banner. This phase is considered complete.

Phase 2, the "eye opening." This is the phase we are in, where al Qaeda
does battle with the infidels, and shows over a billion Moslems how
it's done. This phase is supposed to be completed by next year.

Phase 3, "the rising." Millions of aroused (in a terrorist sense)
Moslems go to war against Islam's enemies for the rest of the decade.
Especially heavy attacks are made against Israel. It is believed that
major damage in Israel will force the world to acknowledge al Qaeda as a major power, and negotiate with it.

Phase 4, "the downfall." By 2013, al Qaeda will control the Persian
Gulf, and all its oil, as well as most of the Middle East. This will
enable al Qaeda to cripple the American economy, and American military
power.

Phase 5, "the Caliphate." By 2016, the Caliphate (one government for
all Moslem nations) will be established. At this point, nearly all
Western cultural influences will be eliminated from Islamic nations. The
Caliphate will organize a mighty army for the next phase.

Phase 6, "world conquest." By 2022, the rest of the world will be
conquered by the righteous and unstoppable armies of Islam. This is the
phase that Osama bin Laden has been talking about for years.

Phase 7, "final victory." All the world's inhabitants will be forced to
either convert to Islam, or submit (as second class citizens) to
Islamic rule. This will be completed by 2025 or thereabouts.

In the Booklet, the Pakistani jihadist group Lashkar-e-Taiba (Army of the Pure), wrote:

... the U.S., Israel and India [are] existential enemies of Islam and lists eight reasons for global jihad. These include the restoration of Islamic sovereignty to all lands where Muslims were once ascendant, including Spain, "Bulgaria, Hungary, Cyprus, Sicily, Ethiopia, Russian Turkistan and Chinese Turkistan. . . Even parts of France reaching 90 kilometers outside Paris."



9-11 Commission wrote:

9/11 Commission Report

2 THE FOUNDATION OF THE NEW TERRORISM

2.1 A DECLARATION OF WAR
In February 1998, the 40-year-old Saudi exile Usama Bin Ladin and a fugitive Egyptian physician, Ayman al Zawahiri, arranged from their Afghan headquarters for an Arabic newspaper in London to publish what they termed a fatwa issued in the name of a "World Islamic Front." A fatwa is normally an interpretation of Islamic law by a respected Islamic authority, but neither Bin Ladin, Zawahiri, nor the three others who signed this statement were scholars of Islamic law. Claiming that America had declared war against God and his messenger, they called for the murder of any American, anywhere on earth, as the "individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it."1

Three months later, when interviewed in Afghanistan by ABC-TV, Bin Ladin enlarged on these themes.2 He claimed it was more important for Muslims to kill Americans than to kill other infidels. "It is far better for anyone to kill a single American soldier than to squander his efforts on other activities," he said. Asked whether he approved of terrorism and of attacks on civilians, he replied: "We believe that the worst thieves in the world today and the worst terrorists are the Americans. Nothing could stop you except perhaps retaliation in kind. We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are concerned, they are all targets."
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Plans to attack the United States were developed with unwavering single-mindedness throughout the 1990s. Bin Ladin saw himself as called "to follow in the footsteps of the Messenger and to communicate his message to all nations,"5 and to serve as the rallying point and organizer of a new kind of war to destroy America and bring the world to Islam.
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2.3 THE RISE OF BIN LADIN AND AL QAEDA (1988-1992)
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Bin Ladin understood better than most of the volunteers the extent to which the continuation and eventual success of the jihad in Afghanistan depended on an increasingly complex, almost worldwide organization. This organization included a financial support network that came to be known as the "Golden Chain," put together mainly by financiers in Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf states. Donations flowed through charities or other nongovernmental organizations (NGOs). Bin Ladin and the "Afghan Arabs" drew largely on funds raised by this network, whose agents roamed world markets to buy arms and supplies for the mujahideen, or "holy warriors."21
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Bin Ladin now had a vision of himself as head of an international jihad confederation. In Sudan, he established an "Islamic Army Shura" that was to serve as the coordinating body for the consortium of terrorist groups with which he was forging alliances. It was composed of his own al Qaeda Shura together with leaders or representatives of terrorist organizations that were still independent. In building this Islamic army, he enlisted groups from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Oman, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Somalia, and Eritrea. Al Qaeda also established cooperative but less formal relationships with other extremist groups from these same countries; from the African states of Chad, Mali, Niger, Nigeria, and Uganda; and from the Southeast Asian states of Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia. Bin Ladin maintained connections in the Bosnian conflict as well.37 The groundwork for a true global terrorist network was being laid.
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Bin Ladin seemed willing to include in the confederation terrorists from almost every corner of the Muslim world. His vision mirrored that of Sudan's Islamist leader, Turabi, who convened a series of meetings under the label Popular Arab and Islamic Conference around the time of Bin Ladin's arrival in that country. Delegations of violent Islamist extremists came from all the groups represented in Bin Ladin's Islamic Army Shura. Representatives also came from organizations such as the Palestine Liberation Organization, Hamas, and Hezbollah.51
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2.5 AL QAEDA'S RENEWAL IN AFGHANISTAN (1996-1998)
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The Taliban seemed to open the doors to all who wanted to come to Afghanistan to train in the camps. The alliance with the Taliban provided al Qaeda a sanctuary in which to train and indoctrinate fighters and terrorists, import weapons, forge ties with other jihad groups and leaders, and plot and staff terrorist schemes. While Bin Ladin maintained his own al Qaeda guesthouses and camps for vetting and training recruits, he also provided support to and benefited from the broad infrastructure of such facilities in Afghanistan made available to the global network of Islamist movements. U.S. intelligence estimates put the total number of fighters who underwent instruction in Bin Ladin-supported camps in Afghanistan from 1996 through 9/11 at 10,000 to 20,000. 78
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Now effectively merged with Zawahiri's Egyptian Islamic Jihad,82 al Qaeda promised to become the general headquarters for international terrorism, without the need for the Islamic Army Shura. Bin Ladin was prepared to pick up where he had left off in Sudan. He was ready to strike at "the head of the snake."
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On February 23, 1998, Bin Ladin issued his public fatwa. The language had been in negotiation for some time, as part of the merger under way between Bin Ladin's organization and Zawahiri's Egyptian Islamic Jihad. Less than a month after the publication of the fatwa, the teams that were to carry out the embassy attacks were being pulled together in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam. The timing and content of their instructions indicate that the decision to launch the attacks had been made by the time the fatwa was issued.88
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The attack on the U.S. embassy in Nairobi destroyed the embassy and killed 12 Americans and 201 others, almost all Kenyans. About 5,000 people were injured. The attack on the U.S. embassy in Dar es Salaam killed 11 more people, none of them Americans. Interviewed later about the deaths of the Africans, Bin Ladin answered that "when it becomes apparent that it would be impossible to repel these Americans without assaulting them, even if this involved the killing of Muslims, this is permissible under Islam." Asked if he had indeed masterminded these bombings, Bin Ladin said that the World Islamic Front for jihad against "Jews and Crusaders" had issued a "crystal clear" fatwa. If the instigation for jihad against the Jews and the Americans to liberate the holy places "is considered a crime," he said, "let history be a witness that I am a criminal."93
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al-Zawahiri wrote:
www.dni.gov/release_letter_101105.html
Summary of Letter from al-Zawahiri to al-Zarqawi July 9, 2005.
The war in Iraq is central to al Qa'ida's global jihad.
The war will not end with an American departure.
[/b]
The strategic vision is one of inevitable conflict with a call by al-Zawahiri for political action equal to military action.
More than half the struggle is taking place "in the battlefield of the media."
Popular support must be maintained at least until jihadist rule has been established.

firstcoastnews wrote:

Shiite sacred mosque explosion in Samarra
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In Baghdad, National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie blamed religious zealots such as the al-Qaida terror network, telling Al-Arabiya television that the attack was an attempt "to pull Iraq toward civil war."
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