THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

www.dni.gov/release_letter_101105.html

Summary of Letter from al-Zawahiri to al-Zarqawi July 9, 2005.
The war in Iraq is central to al Qa'ida's global jihad.
The war will not end with an American departure.
The strategic vision is one of inevitable conflict with a call by al-Zawahiri for political action equal to military action.
More than half the struggle is taking place "in the battlefield of the media."
Popular support must be maintained at least until jihadist rule has been established.

al-Zawahiri wrote:

www.dni.gov/release_letter_101105.html

Summary of Letter from al-Zawahiri to al-Zarqawi July 9, 2005.
The war in Iraq is central to al Qa'ida's global jihad.
The war will not end with an American departure.
The strategic vision is one of inevitable conflict with a call by al-Zawahiri for political action equal to military action.
More than half the struggle is taking place "in the battlefield of the media."
Popular support must be maintained at least until jihadist rule has been established.

The motives of AQ provide neither proof nor any form of logical progression that shows your comment to be true in any way.

Cycloptichorn

ican711nm wrote:

al-Zawahiri wrote:

www.dni.gov/release_letter_101105.html

Summary of Letter from al-Zawahiri to al-Zarqawi July 9, 2005.
The war in Iraq is central to al Qa'ida's global jihad.
The war will not end with an American departure.
The strategic vision is one of inevitable conflict with a call by al-Zawahiri for political action equal to military action.
More than half the struggle is taking place "in the battlefield of the media."
Popular support must be maintained at least until jihadist rule has been established.

Supposedly, that is his letter. You have no objective proof that it is.

And even if it is, so what? It doesn't matter. His intentions provide neither proof nor any form of logical progression that shows your comment to be true in any way.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

al-Zawahiri wrote:

www.dni.gov/release_letter_101105.html

Summary of Letter from al-Zawahiri to al-Zarqawi July 9, 2005.
The war in Iraq is central to al Qa'ida's global jihad.
The war will not end with an American departure.
The strategic vision is one of inevitable conflict with a call by al-Zawahiri for political action equal to military action.
More than half the struggle is taking place "in the battlefield of the media."
Popular support must be maintained at least until jihadist rule has been established.

Supposedly, that is his letter. You have no objective proof that it is.

And even if it is, so what? It doesn't matter. His intentions provide neither proof nor any form of logical progression that shows your comment to be true in any way.

Cycloptichorn

Again you provide zero evidence to support your allegations. You do not support your allegation that this letter is anything other than characterized. You remind me of those who viewed Hitler's Mein Kamf in the same light. The leaders of al-Qaeda have not only declared their intentions, they have executed their intentions and continue to execute their intentions to the detriment of the lives of thousands of Americans and others.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2007/09/al-qaeda-murders-our-anbar-ally.html
Thursday, September 13, 2007
AL QAEDA MURDERS OUR ANBAR ALLY

BBC:
A key Sunni ally of the US and Iraqi governments has been killed in a bomb attack in the Iraqi city of Ramadi.

Abdul Sattar Abu Risha, 37, led what was known as the "Anbar Awakening", an alliance of Sunni Arab tribes that rose up against al-Qaeda in Iraq.

US President George Bush met and endorsed the sheikh last week in Iraq. The White House, which has held up the movement in Anbar province as an example for the rest of Iraq, condemned his assassination as "an outrage".

... Abu Risha was killed, along with two bodyguards, by a roadside bomb planted near his home in Ramadi, the capital of Iraq's western Anbar province. "The sheikh's car was totally destroyed by the explosion," Ramadi police officer Ahmed Mahmoud al-Alwani told Reuters.

It has been reported that he was the number one target of al-Qaeda in Iraq, that several attempts had previously been made on his life, and that his father and at least one of his brothers were killed by insurgents.

Several top sheikhs in the same movement were killed in a bomb attack in Baghdad in June.

• OUR ENEMY - THE JIHADIST SCUM WHO MURDERED THIS SHEIKH - HAVE MURDERED MORE MUSLIMS THAN "CRUSADER ZIONISTS."
• THE DEMOCRAT PARTY TALK OF RETREAT EMPOWERS THE JIHADISTS WHO DID THIS BY GIVING THEM HOPE.
• I'D LIKE TO SEE THE MOVEON MOORE-SHEEHAN-DE PLAMA-OBAMA CROWD CONDEMN THEM AND JOIN IN OUR EFFORTS TO DEFEAT THEM - EVERYWHERE. INCLUDING IRAQ.
• THE SOONER THEY DO, THE SOONER WE WIN.

...
It was not Mein Kampf that made Hitler dangerous, but the massive mechanized armies and unified populaces that he controlled. We face no such threat from Al Qaeda, not in the slightest. Therefore, your mention of Hitler is not only misplaced but evidence of a weak argument; Godwin's law nails you.

Cycloptichorn

IRAQ:
Not Even the Hajj is Free of Corruption

Ali al-Fadhily*


RAMADI, Dec 13 (IPS) - Many Iraqis are angry that the government seems to be picking favourites for the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca.

Muslims are obliged to carry out the pilgrimage, as long as they are able-bodied and can afford to, at least once in their lifetime.

Saudi Arabia, where the holy site of Mecca is located, limits the number of pilgrims to one in every 1,000 people of the total population of each Islamic country. The quota for Iraq for the last four years was agreed at 28,000 pilgrims.

Iraqis who want to go on the pilgrimage say officials have issued approvals only for relatives and party members. The Iraqi government led by U.S.-appointed Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is Shia dominated, and many Iraqis say selection for the pilgrimage is sectarian.

"It is a shame that corruption now goes as far as the Hajj," Sheikh Fadhil Mahmood of the Sunni religious group, the Association of Muslim Scholars, told IPS in Ramadi, 110 km west of Baghdad.

"This is the fifth year that many Iraqis are deprived of their right to go to Mecca, while those who are members of parties in power, and militiamen, go every year. Most of our pilgrims are going for political and commercial purposes."

A member of the Hajj committee in al-Anbar province, which is largely Sunni, spoke to IPS on condition of anonymity about guidelines for selecting pilgrims.

"There are two sets of regulations that we received for accepting candidates -- one is what we tell people, and the other is what is under the table," he said. "The one under the table is mainly for members of the Islamic Party, the Accordance Bloc and the so-called Awakening Forces (Sunni fighters now on the U.S.-payroll) who go to Saudi Arabia to make commercial deals and to strengthen their political ties with the officials there."

Applicants for Hajj line up in long queues every day with heavy files containing their personal documentation. They almost all queue in despair.

"This is the fourth time that I applied, but I do not think my name will be enlisted," 55-year-old retired teacher Mahmood al-Rawi told IPS. "I know many people who went to Mecca several times because they belong to a party or have relatives in the government. Others got approval after paying 700 dollars to committee members as a bribe."

The Hajj is from the 8th to the 12th day of Dhul Hijjah, the 12th month of the Islamic calendar. In the early 21st century, this date will come during the November-January timeframe. This year, the week of Hajj begins Dec. 18.

Not just Sunni Muslims, many Shias too speak of discrimination. "You must be of Iranian origin," Abdul Hassan Jawad from Karbala City, 90 km south of Baghdad, told IPS on telephone. "Hajj under occupation is limited to followers of (Shia cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali) al-Sistani with small shares for the (Shia) Fadhila Party and the (Shia cleric Muqtada) al-Sadr movement."

"We believe that Saudi authorities must find new regulations for Iraqi pilgrims away from any interference by this corrupted Iraqi government," Salman Tahir, human rights activist in the Hurriya quarter of western Baghdad told IPS. "Both Sunni and Shia officials are corrupt, and they are using this holy season to increase their influence and money. We believe that application for pilgrimage should be made directly to the Saudis in order to avoid this mass corruption."

Others blame the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq for this too. "Politics under occupation has corrupted everything," Ramadi resident Haydar Hussein told IPS. "The corruption is the produce of the U.S. occupation and its selection of Iraqi staff. All this is adding up to more hatred amongst Iraqis."

Cycloptichorn wrote:

...
It was not Mein Kampf that made Hitler dangerous, but the massive mechanized armies and unified populaces that he controlled. We face no such threat from Al Qaeda, not in the slightest. Therefore, your mention of Hitler is not only misplaced but evidence of a weak argument; Godwin's law nails you.

Cycloptichorn

Mein Kampf was Hitler's 1924 declaration of intentions which in the early 1930s materialized in the form of "massive mechanized armies and unified populaces that he controlled." Subsequently it materialized 1939 as a war against Poland. Subsequently it materialized 1941 as a declaration of war against the USA. Subsequently it materialized 1942 as a war that eventually mass murdered millions of Europeans, and killed thousands of USA military.

ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

...
It was not Mein Kampf that made Hitler dangerous, but the massive mechanized armies and unified populaces that he controlled. We face no such threat from Al Qaeda, not in the slightest. Therefore, your mention of Hitler is not only misplaced but evidence of a weak argument; Godwin's law nails you.

Cycloptichorn

Mein Kampf was Hitler's 1924 declaration of intentions which in the early 1930s materialized in the form of "massive mechanized armies and unified populaces that he controlled." Subsequently it materialized 1939 as a war against Poland. Subsequently it materialized 1941 as a declaration of war against the USA. Subsequently it materialized 1942 as a war that eventually mass murdered millions of Europeans, and killed thousands of USA military.

Sure. When AQ starts taking over non-muslim nations, or takes over muslim nations and uses them to attack us, give me a call and share your alarmism. Not before.

Cycloptichorn

First of all, I don't hate Bush - I pity him. Please be accurate.

Second of all, I don't plan on curtailing sh*t. That's not what America is about, jack. If it hurts the cause of a war that I don't support in the slightest - good.

Third, taking guns away from Iraqi policewomen is not only sexist, it is against your goals; they cannot be effective law enforcement agents in Iraq without them.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

...
It was not Mein Kampf that made Hitler dangerous, but the massive mechanized armies and unified populaces that he controlled. We face no such threat from Al Qaeda, not in the slightest. Therefore, your mention of Hitler is not only misplaced but evidence of a weak argument; Godwin's law nails you.

Cycloptichorn

Mein Kampf was Hitler's 1924 declaration of intentions which in the early 1930s materialized in the form of "massive mechanized armies and unified populaces that he controlled." Subsequently it materialized 1939 as a war against Poland. Subsequently it materialized 1941 as a declaration of war against the USA. Subsequently it materialized 1942 as a war that eventually mass murdered millions of Europeans, and killed thousands of USA military.

Sure. When AQ starts taking over non-muslim nations, or takes over muslim nations and uses them to attack us, give me a call and share your alarmism. Not before.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

First of all, I don't hate Bush - I pity him. Please be accurate.

Second of all, I don't plan on curtailing sh*t. That's not what America is about, jack. If it hurts the cause of a war that I don't support in the slightest - good.

Third, taking guns away from Iraqi policewomen is not only sexist, it is against your goals; they cannot be effective law enforcement agents in Iraq without them.

Cycloptichorn

True to form!

If AQ were to start taking over non-muslim nations, or take over muslim nations and use them to attack us, then you wouldn't need any call from me. Instead you would need a hole to hide in.

Let's see now,
1942 - 1924 = 18
1996 +18 = 2014.
2014 - 2007 = 7

enjoy!