THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

As recently as Sunday, preliminary figures floated by the three ministries had suggested the October death toll would total just 285.

The prime minister's office which used to release the data officially stopped doing so as the figures were widely disputed.

The United Nations, which used to review the statistics, has not been able to do so since earlier this year.

British website Iraqbodycount.net, which tracks Iraqi casualty figures, said 2007 could yet end up being the second deadliest year since the March 2003 invasion, after last year which saw 27,000 civilian deaths.

In new violence on Thursday, 16 Iraqis were killed, five of them in the capital, and 11 in the confessional mixed province of Diyala to its north.

The dead in Diyala, most of them security personnel, came after a suicide bombing against the province's police headquarters in the city of Baquba on Monday killed 28 policemen.

The five dead in the capital were would-be recruits to the Iraqi army from the Sunni district of Adhamiyah who had gathered at a recruitment centre in the nearby Al-Binouk neighbourhood, security officials said.

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I'll use future excerpts of Juan Cole as they are posted here to make my point that Juan Cole is bigoted against conservatives, who honor the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution as amended, and do not honor misquotes or misinterpretations of either.

This is a straight-up lie.

Bush's administration, a Conservative administration supported by the Conservative party here in America, is currently breaking the law. Specifically, they are breaking the FISA laws as well as the 4th amendment. This gives the lie to your claim that Conservatives 'honor' the Constitution; you only do so until it becomes inconvenient for you to do so.

The problem for you fellows is that reality itself is bigoted against your position.

Cycloptichorn

That's funny; the republican congressional members still support Bush. Some 27 percent of "conservatives" still support Bush. Bush was supported by the conservatives for two presidential elections.

He's not a conservative?

' I am also a retired Foreign Service Officer, and strongly second the view of the anonymous FSO (retired) whom you cited in your column today. The issue really is not the commitment to world-wide service undertaken by FSOs. The decision by the Bush Administration to not only keep an embassy open in a war zone, but INCREASE its size to make it one of the largest in the world, is simply testimony to the madness of the entire Iraq "adventure," and the fraudulent nature of the expressed rationale for our being there. Most of the staff in this "embassy" do not speak the language and cannot act effectively as diplomats, even if that were the purpose in sending them there. But that is not the purpose....

The willingness of Secretary Rice, or Dr. Ferragamo as she is known on one satirical website, to continue supporting this war of occupation through this "embassy" and more broadly through her declaration of a new order known as "transformational diplomacy" simply confirms that she is not a "moderate" voice for diplomacy against the likes of Dick Cheney. Diplomats do not "transform" other countries. They represent the interests of the US to the governments and citizens of other, independent, countries. '

Let's look at this from the past experience of Bush choices for - anything; they've all been incompetents. Show us one choice Bush made that did a good job?

cicerone imposter wrote:

Let's look at this from the past experience of Bush choices for - anything; they've all been incompetents. Show us one choice Bush made that did a good job?

George Bush chose Laura to be his wife and Laura has done a good job being his wife.

Poor Laura has to accept the incompetence of her husband. ?Too late.

Bush chose himself to run against Al Gore and did a good job winning the election over Al Gore.

There are many questions about how Bush won Florida including the intrusion by the supreme court.]

Bush chose himself to run against John Kerry and did a good job winning the election over John Kerry.

That says more about the ignorance of the American voters, but most are now catching on that Bush is a disaster for our country. His performance rating is down to 27 percent and dropping.

Bush chose General Tommy Franks to command the invasion of Afghanistan, and General Franks did a good job commanding the invasion of Afghanistan.

Yeah, Tommy Franks did such a good job, they're still looking for Osama.

Bush chose General Tommy Franks to command the invasion of Iraq, and General Franks did a good job commanding the invasion of Iraq.

Let's see; the Iraq war is now longer than WWII. That's a good job?

Bush chose General David Petraeus to command the surge in Iraq, and General Petraeus is doing a good job commanding the surge in Iraq.

You don't seem to understand much of anything; general Petraeus said to win in Iraq, there also needs to be a politcal success. The Iraqi government is a shambles, and there's no hope of any improvement under Maliki.

Bush chose Congress to reduce income tax rates, and Congress did a good job reducing income tax rates.

Bush is the only president of our country who has reduced income taxes during a time of war, and the federal deficit is increasing at such a dangerous rate that our future economy is in danger of collapsing. Our currency is losing value against all major currencies, and people like you think that's a benefit. Bush has mortgaged our children's future with his tax cuts.You fail to understand anything about fiscal responsibility.

in blue

ican711nm wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Let's look at this from the past experience of Bush choices for - anything; they've all been incompetents. Show us one choice Bush made that did a good job?

George Bush chose Laura to be his wife and Laura has done a good job being his wife.

Poor Laura has to accept the incompetence of her husband. ?Too late.

[ican wrote in italics:]
Regardless, George Bush did make a good choice in choosing Laura.

Bush chose himself to run against Al Gore and did a good job winning the election over Al Gore.

There are many questions about how Bush won Florida including the intrusion by the supreme court.]

The US Supreme Court put an end to the selective recounting authorized by the Florida Supreme Court on Gore's behalf.

Bush chose himself to run against John Kerry and did a good job winning the election over John Kerry.

That says more about the ignorance of the American voters, but most are now catching on that Bush is a disaster for our country. His performance rating is down to 27 percent and dropping.

Regardless, George Bush made a good choice in choosing himself over John Kerry.

Bush chose General Tommy Franks to command the invasion of Afghanistan, and General Franks did a good job commanding the invasion of Afghanistan.

Yeah, Tommy Franks did such a good job, they're still looking for Osama.

Capturing Osama was not his job. Removing the Taliban government and al-Qaeda was his job.

Bush chose General Tommy Franks to command the invasion of Iraq, and General Franks did a good job commanding the invasion of Iraq.

Let's see; the Iraq war is now longer than WWII. That's a good job?

Franks did a good job removing Saddam's government and al-Qaeda from northeastern Iraq in less than 90 days. It took us from early 1942 to the Spring of 1945 (a little over 3 years) to remove Hitler's government with Hitler's help--he helped by committing suicide.

Bush chose General David Petraeus to command the surge in Iraq, and General Petraeus is doing a good job commanding the surge in Iraq.

You don't seem to understand much of anything; general Petraeus said to win in Iraq, there also needs to be a politcal success. The Iraqi government is a shambles, and there's no hope of any improvement under Maliki.

Petraeus is doing a good job of doing what he was asked to do-- reduce the Iraq violent death rate. Military success in Iraq is necessary for there to be political success in Iraq.

Bush chose Congress to reduce income tax rates, and Congress did a good job reducing income tax rates.

Bush is the only president of our country who has reduced income taxes during a time of war, and the federal deficit is increasing at such a dangerous rate that our future economy is in danger of collapsing. Our currency is losing value against all major currencies, and people like you think that's a benefit. Bush has mortgaged our children's future with his tax cuts.You fail to understand anything about fiscal responsibility.

The rate of increase of the federal deficit is rapidly decreasing. That is, the federal BUDGET deficit is decreasing from what Bush inheriited from Clinton the first year he was in office.

cicerone imposter wrote:

in blue

ican711nm wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Let's look at this from the past experience of Bush choices for - anything; they've all been incompetents. Show us one choice Bush made that did a good job?

George Bush chose Laura to be his wife and Laura has done a good job being his wife.

Poor Laura has to accept the incompetence of her husband. ?Too late.

[ican wrote in italics:]
Regardless, George Bush did make a good choice in choosing Laura.

And what in blue-blazes does Laura have to do with the governance of our country, pray tell?[/color}

Bush chose himself to run against Al Gore and did a good job winning the election over Al Gore.

[color=blue]There are many questions about how Bush won Florida including the intrusion by the supreme court.]

The US Supreme Court put an end to the selective recounting authorized by the Florida Supreme Court on Gore's behalf.

Read up on the laws of voting in the states. You might learn something valuable.

Bush chose himself to run against John Kerry and did a good job winning the election over John Kerry.

That says more about the ignorance of the American voters, but most are now catching on that Bush is a disaster for our country. His performance rating is down to 27 percent and dropping.

Regardless, George Bush made a good choice in choosing himself over John Kerry.

Over 63 percent of Americans now realize they made a big mistake. Many now wish Bush would just disappear.

Bush chose General Tommy Franks to command the invasion of Afghanistan, and General Franks did a good job commanding the invasion of Afghanistan.

Yeah, Tommy Franks did such a good job, they're still looking for Osama.

Capturing Osama was not his job. Removing the Taliban government and al-Qaeda was his job.

Funny you should claim that! Osama is the leader of the group responsible for 9-11.

Bush chose General Tommy Franks to command the invasion of Iraq, and General Franks did a good job commanding the invasion of Iraq.

Let's see; the Iraq war is now longer than WWII. That's a good job?

Franks did a good job removing Saddam's government and al-Qaeda from northeastern Iraq in less than 90 days. It took us from early 1942 to the Spring of 1945 (a little over 3 years) to remove Hitler's government with Hitler's help--he helped by committing suicide.

Saddam was no longer in power; he was cowering in a pit looking the coward and frightened rat. So much for a dignified leader.

Bush chose General David Petraeus to command the surge in Iraq, and General Petraeus is doing a good job commanding the surge in Iraq.

You don't seem to understand much of anything; general Petraeus said to win in Iraq, there also needs to be a politcal success. The Iraqi government is a shambles, and there's no hope of any improvement under Maliki.

Petraeus is doing a good job of doing what he was asked to do-- reduce the Iraq violent death rate. Military success in Iraq is necessary for there to be political success in Iraq.

It is evident you have completely missed what Petraeus told congress before he accepted the responsibility to be commander in Iraq. A 50 percent success in Iraq is no success; that's what he said before taking on the helm.

Bush chose Congress to reduce income tax rates, and Congress did a good job reducing income tax rates.

Bush is the only president of our country who has reduced income taxes during a time of war, and the federal deficit is increasing at such a dangerous rate that our future economy is in danger of collapsing. Our currency is losing value against all major currencies, and people like you think that's a benefit. Bush has mortgaged our children's future with his tax cuts.You fail to understand anything about fiscal responsibility.

The rate of increase of the federal deficit is rapidly decreasing. That is, the federal BUDGET deficit is decreasing from what Bush inheriited from Clinton the first year he was in office.

You're probably not paying attention, but our economy is struggling to survive a) the loss of value of the US greenback, b) our trade deficit increases very year, c) the sub-prime loans are affecting millions of American families to lose their homes, d) housing value is dropping at an alarming rate - the biggest equity for most American families, e) the DOW just lost over 300 points this month in response to the prospects of a recession, and f) your lies about Bush inheriting the budget deficit from Clinton is another conservative wet dream. You need to study which party in fact increases the federal deficit throughout history. You are not only ignorant, but unable to see what's in front of you. The middle-class in our country 1) have lost buying power during Bush's tenure during the past six years, 2) more Americans now have negative savings (more debt in the common jargon), and 3) many Americans are losing their homes. All thanks to Bush's mismanagement of our economy. It's obvious you are ignorant of macro and micro economics.