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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 03:48 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, Your stupid questions has only relevance to Bushco and his war-mongers - and that includes you. Your "what if" questions doesn't justify the sacrifice for a cause or end game that's not even articulated by Bush.

If you support this war, send yourself and our family there. I just don't wish to sacrifice my family or friends in a stupid war that's only gotten worse in five years.

Rolling Eyes

A = the consequences of our leaving without success in Iraq

B = the consequences of our staying until success in Iraq.

Which alternative, A or B do you think will result in the fewest mass murders of Iraqi non-murderers over the next ten years, and why do you think so?

Which alternative, A or B do you think will result in the fewest mass murders of American non-murderers over the next ten years, and why do you think so?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 03:57 pm
There are no consequences, except those dreamed up by Bushco and you.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 04:00 pm
We've already paid the consequences for the past five years, because Bush didn't know what he was doing. Things just got worse. What makes you think it'll get better? Your guess? And you want more sacrifice from our men and women for a lost cause?

Why don't you and your family volunteer for service in iraq. They need you! It's okay if you didn't graduate from high school or have a criminal record.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 04:02 pm
They need men and women like you who doesn't question the quagmire that Bush built.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 04:07 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
We've already paid the consequences for the past five years, because Bush didn't know what he was doing. Things just got worse. What makes you think it'll get better? Your guess? And you want more sacrifice from our men and women for a lost cause?

Why don't you and your family volunteer for service in iraq. They need you! It's okay if you didn't graduate from high school or have a criminal record.

Sad

A = the consequences of our leaving without achieving success in Iraq

B = the consequences of our staying until achieving success in Iraq.

Which alternative, A or B do you think will result in the fewest mass murders of Iraqi non-murderers over the next ten years, and why do you think so?

Which alternative, A or B do you think will result in the fewest mass murders of American non-murderers over the next ten years, and why do you think so?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 04:13 pm
There is no such thing as a "alternative" for Iraq; it's already a lost cause. There is no viable government in Iraq. You can't win a war in Iraq with 170,000 troops no matter how long we stay in Iraq.

Don't you read anything I write? Or do you lack comprehension skills?
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old europe
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 04:15 pm
ican711nm wrote:
achieving success in Iraq


ican, how would you define "success in Iraq?"
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 04:29 pm
old europe, Good Q.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 04:53 pm
old europe wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
achieving success in Iraq


ican, how would you define "success in Iraq?"

The mass murder of Iraqi non-murderers is reduced to less than 1,000 per month; the Iraq Government continues for one year to reduce the mass murder of Iraqi non-murderers; and al-Qaeda continues for one year to be denied sanctuary any where in Iraq by the Iraq government.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 04:55 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
There is no such thing as a "alternative" for Iraq; it's already a lost cause. There is no viable government in Iraq. You can't win a war in Iraq with 170,000 troops no matter how long we stay in Iraq.

Don't you read anything I write? Or do you lack comprehension skills?

Crying or Very sad

A = the consequences of our leaving without achieving success in Iraq

B = the consequences of our staying until achieving success in Iraq.

Which alternative, A or B do you think will result in the fewest mass murders of Iraqi non-murderers over the next ten years, and why do you think so?

Which alternative, A or B do you think will result in the fewest mass murders of American non-murderers over the next ten years, and why do you think so?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 05:03 pm
What makes you think the violence will stop based on the past five year history?

Do you know that one-third of the Iraqi children are literally starving?

How will our staying improve the current killing fields and the starving children?


Why don't you and your family volunteer if you believe success is at hand?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 05:27 pm
Quote:
IBC's Count of Non-Murderers Murdered in Iraq since 1/1/2003
iraq body count as of 06/30/2007

MONTHLY UPDATE OF THE MASS MURDER OF NON-MURDERERS IN IRAQ

............................... Monthly ........... Accumulated Total since
............................... Totals .............. January 1st 2003 ...........
December 2005 ............ ------ ..................... 36,859
January 2006 ............... 1,267 .................... 38,126
February 2006 .............. 1,287 .................... 39,413
March 2006 .................. 1,538 .................... 40,951
April 2006 .................... 1,287.................... 42,238
May 2006 ..................... 1,417 .................... 43,655
June 2006 ..................... 2,089 .................... 45,744
July 2006 ...................... 2,336 .................... 48,080
August 2006 ................ 1,195 .................... 49,275
September 2006 .......... 1,407..................... 50,682
October 2006 .............. 2,546 ..................... 53,228
November 2006 .......... 3,894 ..................... 57,122
December 2006 .......... 3,219 ..................... 60,341
January 2007 .............. 2,557 ..................... 62,898
February 2007 ............. 2,514 ..................... 65,412
March 2007 .....…......... 2,720 .................... 68,132
April 2007 .…....…........ 2,359..........…........ 70,491
May 2007 .......…......... 3.755 ......…............ 74,246
June 2007 .......…......... 2,386 .........…......... 76,632
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 05:38 pm
ican wrote :

Quote:
al-Qaeda continues for one year to be denied sanctuary any where in Iraq by the Iraq government.


since many new al qaeda recruits seem to be entering iraq from other countries (such as iran) on a regular basis , why don't the U.S. troops close those borders and deny al qaeda access to iraq ?
by keeping insurgents - of any stripe - out of iraq , it would no doubt be easier to then go after the terrorists inside iraq .

if new insurgents are allowed to enter iraq (almost freely , i understand) ,
how would it be otherwise posssible to reduce the influx ?
hbg
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old europe
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 05:39 pm
ican711nm wrote:
old europe wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
achieving success in Iraq


ican, how would you define "success in Iraq?"

The mass murder of Iraqi non-murderers is reduced to less than 1,000 per month; the Iraq Government continues for one year to reduce the mass murder of Iraqi non-murderers; and al-Qaeda continues for one year to be denied sanctuary any where in Iraq by the Iraq government.


Sounds pretty much like the situation before the invasion.

Don't you want to add something? Nothing about democracy, or freedom of speech, or liberty, or some such? Or maybe a restored infrastructure? Or oil revenues that will pay for the cost of the war? Nothing?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 05:49 pm
ican: "....is reduced to less than 1,000 per month..." is about a no answer as I've ever seen one. You have to do much better than that!

Remember, the US/Bush doesn't do Iraq civilian casualty count.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 06:25 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
What makes you think the violence will stop based on the past five year history?

Do you know that one-third of the Iraqi children are literally starving?

How will our staying improve the current killing fields and the starving children?


Why don't you and your family volunteer if you believe success is at hand?

Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

I'll be happy to answer your questions after you answer mine. Here they are again!


A = the consequences of our leaving without achieving success in Iraq.

B = the consequences of our staying until achieving success in Iraq.

Which consequences, A or B, do you think will result in the fewest mass murders of Iraqi non-murderers over the next ten years, and why do you think so?

Which consequences, A or B, do you think will result in the fewest mass murders of American non-murderers over the next ten years, and why do you think so?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 06:38 pm
Those are not, I repeat, are not viable questions, because the only true answer lies in our getting out of Iraq.

Answer those questions yourself, because your answer will be as stupid as your questions.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 06:42 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican: "....is reduced to less than 1,000 per month..." is about a no answer as I've ever seen one. You have to do much better than that!

Remember, the US/Bush doesn't do Iraq civilian casualty count.


When you start whining and crying about the thousands that die every month here in the US to automobile accidents,then you will be worth listening to.
Your anguish about deaths seems to be misplaced.

While I agree that the deaths in Iraq are tragic,your one way anguish is wrong.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 06:44 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican: "....is reduced to less than 1,000 per month..." is about a no answer as I've ever seen one. You have to do much better than that!

Remember, the US/Bush doesn't do Iraq civilian casualty count.

Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

Quote:
IBC's Count of Non-Murderers Murdered in Iraq since 1/1/2003
iraq body count as of 06/30/2007

MONTHLY UPDATE OF THE MASS MURDER OF NON-MURDERERS IN IRAQ

............................... Monthly ........... Accumulated Total since
............................... Totals .............. January 1st 2003 ...........
December 2005 ............ ------ ..................... 36,859
January 2006 ............... 1,267 .................... 38,126
February 2006 .............. 1,287 .................... 39,413
March 2006 .................. 1,538 .................... 40,951
April 2006 .................... 1,287.................... 42,238
May 2006 ..................... 1,417 .................... 43,655
June 2006 ..................... 2,089 .................... 45,744
July 2006 ...................... 2,336 .................... 48,080
August 2006 ................ 1,195 .................... 49,275
September 2006 .......... 1,407..................... 50,682
October 2006 .............. 2,546 ..................... 53,228
November 2006 .......... 3,894 ..................... 57,122
December 2006 .......... 3,219 ..................... 60,341
January 2007 .............. 2,557 ..................... 62,898
February 2007 ............. 2,514 ..................... 65,412
March 2007 .....…......... 2,720 .................... 68,132
April 2007 .…....…........ 2,359..........…........ 70,491
May 2007 .......…......... 3.755 ......…............ 74,246
June 2007 .......…......... 2,386 .........…......... 76,632


?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

A = the consequences of our leaving without achieving success in Iraq.

B = the consequences of our staying until achieving success in Iraq.

Which consequences, A or B, do you think will result in the fewest mass murders of Iraqi non-murderers over the next ten years, and why do you think so?

Which consequences, A or B, do you think will result in the fewest mass murders of American non-murderers over the next ten years, and why do you think so?

old europe wrote:
ican, how would you define "success in Iraq?"


ican711nm wrote:
The mass murder of Iraqi non-murderers is reduced to less than 1,000 per month; the Iraq Government continues for one year to reduce the mass murder of Iraqi non-murderers; and al-Qaeda continues for one year to be denied sanctuary any where in Iraq by the Iraq government.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 06:49 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Those are not, I repeat, are not viable questions, because the only true answer lies in our getting out of Iraq.

Answer those questions yourself, because your answer will be as stupid as your questions.

Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

A = the consequences of our leaving without achieving success in Iraq.

B = the consequences of our staying until achieving success in Iraq.

Which consequences, A or B, do you think will result in the fewest mass murders of Iraqi non-murderers over the next ten years, and why do you think so?

Which consequences, A or B, do you think will result in the fewest mass murders of American non-murderers over the next ten years, and why do you think so?

Quote:
old europe wrote:
ican, how would you define "success in Iraq?"


ican711nm wrote:
The mass murder of Iraqi non-murderers is reduced to less than 1,000 per month; the Iraq Government continues for one year to reduce the mass murder of Iraqi non-murderers; and al-Qaeda continues for one year to be denied sanctuary any where in Iraq by the Iraq government.
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