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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

 
 
hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 11:16 am
perhaps i'm reading a little too much into all this ... ?

1) an instructor from westpoint states on PBS that u.s. cannot muster 300,000 troops to try and win war in iraq ,
2) defence secretary gates announces huge military aid package to saudi arabia and other gulf states (most of which do not have democratically elected governments) ,
3) U.S. announces increased military aid package to israel ,
4) israeli government is satisfied with increased military aid by the U.S. and understands the "need of the US to assist the moderate Arab states which are in one front with the US and us in the fight against Iran " .

i do have a little trouble connecting the dots !
hbg


Quote:
Israel hails US military aid rise
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has confirmed that the United States is planning a significant increase in military and defence aid to Israel.
The package would reportedly amount to more than $30bn (£14.8bn) over the next 10 years.

Mr Olmert described it as an important element for the security of Israel.

Washington is reportedly preparing a package of major arms sales to Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states because of concerns over Iran's nuclear programme.

US defence aid to Israel currently stands at $2.4bn a year - the new package would amount to a 25% increase.

Mr Olmert said the aid had been agreed at a meeting with US President George W Bush in Washington last month.

Saudi arms deal

The BBC's Bethany Bell in Jerusalem says the package is seen as an attempt to allay Israeli concerns over the planned arms deal with Saudi Arabia, reportedly worth $20bn (£9.8bn) over the next decade.

Defence officials quoted by US media said the sales would include advanced weaponry, missile guidance systems, upgraded fighter jets and naval ships.

Mr Olmert said the increased support was a sign of US commitment to maintain Israel's military "advantage over the Arab states".

"We understand the need of the US to assist the moderate Arab states which are in one front with the US and us in the fight against Iran, and on the other hand we appreciate the renewed and re-emphasised support for Israel's military and security advantage," he said.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/6920988.stm

Published: 2007/07/29 10:54:38 GMT



source : ISRAEL HAILS INCREASE IN U.S. MILITARY SHIPMENTS
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 12:52 pm
hbg, That's the bottom line; we can't win in Iraq with 160,000 troops. All that the 160,000 troops accomplishes is more of our soldiers getting killed and maimed with no end in site. Why general Patreaus would expose his soldiers in a lost cause is beyond stupidity. Our total military force including the army navy, marines and air force is 500,000. Some people just fail to do the simple logistics.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 02:20 pm
I just saw a piece on TV regarding gangs in the military. This even includes initiations involving a new member being beaten. I guess the military is so desperate in recruiting that it is bringing in gang members, or potential gang members, the fill the gaps. I feel for those soldiers who have to serve with these people.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 02:31 pm
Also, they no longer need to have high school diplomas. Desperation is an understatement.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 07:32 pm
More in GOP want Iraq military limits

By ANNE FLAHERTY and KIMBERLY HEFLING, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 54 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Republicans increasingly are backing a new approach in the Iraq war that could become the party's mantra come September. It would mean narrowly limited missions for U.S. troops in Iraq but let President Bush decide when troops should leave.

The GOP members will never understand Bush's stance "to win in Iraq." All their heads are in a very dark place that smells like shite.

So far, the idea has not attracted the attention of Democratic leaders. They are under substantial pressure by anti-war groups to consider only legislation that orders troops from Iraq.

But the GOP approach quickly is becoming the attractive alternative for Republican lawmakers who want to challenge Bush on the unpopular war without backtracking from their past assertions that it would be disastrous to set deadlines for troop withdrawals.

"This is a necessary adjustment in the national debate to reintroduce bipartisanship, to stop the `gotcha' politics that are going on that seem to be driven by fringes on both sides and change the terms of the discussion," said Rep. Phil English, R-Pa.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 07:36 pm
The 'progress" in Iraq nobody in the Bush administration dare mention.


Third of Iraqis 'need urgent aid'

Oxfam say basic services cannot meet the needs of the Iraqi people
Nearly a third of the population of Iraq is in need of immediate emergency aid, according to a new report from Oxfam and a coalition of Iraqi NGOs.
The report said the Iraqi government was failing to provide basic essentials such as water, sanitation, food, and shelter to up to eight million people.

It warned the continuing violence was masking a humanitarian crisis that had grown worse since the invasion in 2003.

It also found that four million Iraqis had been uprooted by the violence.

More than two million people have been displaced inside the country, while a further two million have fled to neighbouring countries, according to the report.

On Thursday, an international conference in Jordan pledged to help the refugees with their difficulties.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 07:29 am
Quote:
perhaps i'm reading a little too much into all this ... ?


No you are not; I am just amazed that we are selling arms to Saudi Arabia who has been giving arms to the insurgents in Iraq who have been killing our troops plus other Iraqis.

Iraq had an election; but it seems we are going to ignore that election and help the insurgents and Saudi Arabia kill Shia so that Iran can't control Iraq.

We had to include Israel in that deal proposal or Israel would have gotten mad. Just typical.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 07:36 am
Why can't more Americans see how Bush is using our troops as fodder? He doesn't give a shite about our soldiers; he exposes them to more getting killed and maimed by sending more of them into harms way, then sells arms to our enemies to kill them with. I need to hear somebody scream! This is shear insanity!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 07:56 am
More of the Bush-Petraeus progress in Iraq.


Corruption 'mars Iraq rebuilding'

Reports of widespread fraud and waste of funds in Iraq


Bowen interview
The US agency overseeing reconstruction in Iraq has told the BBC that economic mismanagement and corruption there is equivalent to "a second insurgency". The chief auditor assigned by Congress, Stuart Bowen, said the Iraqi government was failing to take responsibility for projects worth billions of dollars.

Mr Bowen also said his agency was investigating more than 50 fraud cases.

Meanwhile, nearly a third of Iraq's population is in need of emergency aid, a report by Oxfam and Iraqi NGOs says.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 02:21 pm
According to this report:

· Four million Iraqis - 15% - regularly cannot buy enough to eat.
· 70% are without adequate water supplies, compared to 50% in 2003.
· 28% of children are malnourished, compared to 19% before the 2003 invasion.
· 92% of Iraqi children suffer learning problems, mostly due to the climate of fear.
· More than two million people - mostly women and children - have been displaced inside Iraq .
· A further two million Iraqis have become refugees, mainly in Syria and Jordan .
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 02:25 pm
All those "urgent" needs (as outlined by Walter) of the Iraqi people are being ignored by their government, because their government is useless, powerless, and worthless.

Iraqi parliament adjourns for August


By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writer
52 minutes ago


BAGHDAD - Iraq's parliament on Monday shrugged off U.S. criticism and adjourned for a month, as key lawmakers declared there was no point waiting any longer for the prime minister to deliver Washington-demanded benchmark legislation for their vote.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 05:45 pm
more news from iraq - and it isn't good .
much of the money meant for re-construction projects seems to have "disappeared" !
anyone want to guess where it's now ?
hbg

Quote:
Corruption 'mars Iraq rebuilding'

The US agency overseeing reconstruction in Iraq has told the BBC that economic mismanagement and corruption there are equivalent to "a second insurgency".
The chief auditor assigned by Congress, Stuart Bowen, said the Iraqi government was failing to take responsibility for projects worth billions of dollars.

Mr Bowen also said his agency was investigating more than 50 fraud cases.

Meanwhile, nearly a third of Iraq's population is in need of emergency aid, a report by Oxfam and Iraqi NGOs says.


The report said the Iraqi government was failing to provide basic essentials such as water, food, sanitation and shelter for up to eight million people.

It warned that the continuing violence was masking a humanitarian crisis that had escalated since the US-led invasion in 2003.

On Monday, six people were killed and at least 12 injured in a car bomb attack in Baghdad. The US military also announced the deaths of three of its soldiers in the western province of Anbar.

'Troubling'

US Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction Stuart Bowen was appointed to audit $44bn (£22bn) allocated since 2003, after reports of widespread fraud and waste.

The agency publishes quarterly reports on the situation, most of which have complained about a serious lack of progress. Monday's report was no different.


In an interview with the BBC, Mr Bowen said corruption was endemic and described it as "an enemy of democracy".

He added: "We have performed 95 audits that have found instances of programmatic weakness and waste, and we've got 57 ongoing cases right now, criminal cases, looking at fraud."

Mr Bowen said the transfer of projects to Iraqi government control was "troubling", and expressed concern about delays and cost overruns.

The report gave the example of the Doura power station, rebuilt with tens of millions of US dollars, which fell into disrepair once it was transferred to Iraqi control.


Mr Bowen also said Iraqi ministries were struggling to administer funds.

Last year, Prime Minister Nouri Maliki's government only spent 22% of its budget on vital rebuilding projects, while spending 99% of the allocation for salaries, he said.

He said "a pathway towards potential prosperity" could be found only if oil production was brought up to optimal levels, and security and corruption effectively managed.

'Ruined by war'

The Iraqi parliament has now adjourned until 4 September, despite US calls for it to remain in session and pass already-delayed legislation.

The recess means parliament will reconvene just days before America's top commander in Iraq, Army Gen David Petraeus, reports to Congress on the US troop "surge" strategy.


(i'm sure they just wanted to go to the beach! hbg)

His assessment will likely provide the backdrop to the next round of war spending.

The BBC's Nicholas Witchell in Baghdad says the report by the UK-based charity and the NGO Co-ordination Committee in Iraq (NCCI) makes alarming reading.

The survey recognises that armed conflict is the greatest problem facing Iraqis, but finds a population "increasingly threatened by disease and malnutrition".

It suggests that 70% of Iraq's 26.5m population are without adequate water supplies, compared to 50% prior to the invasion. Only 20% have access to effective sanitation.

Nearly 30% of children are malnourished, a sharp increase on the situation four years ago. Some 15% of Iraqis regularly cannot afford to eat.

The report also said 92% of Iraq's children suffered from learning problems.

It found that more than two million people have been displaced inside the country, while a further two million have fled to neighbouring countries.

On Thursday, an international conference in Jordan pledged to help the refugees with their difficulties. Oxfam has not operated in Iraq since 2003 for security reasons.



Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/6922347.stm




source : CHASING THE MONEY
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 05:51 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Quote:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/sospi91.htm

Figure 14. [near the end of the link]

Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991

Persons lived with
most of the time

while growing up Percent of inmates
---------------- ------------------
Both parents 43%
Mother only 39
Father only 4
Other relative 11
Foster home/agency 2
Other 1

Number 711,643

When I have time, I'll look for more recent data for both state and federal prisoners.

My subsequent searches up to 2004 have revealed that less than 44% of the U.S. federal and state prison population grew up with both parents. In 2002, the percentage was less than 40%.

Making marriage a healthier and not a sicker institution is vital for preserving and evolving a civilized society.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 05:57 pm
The Associated Press and BBC have shown themselves to be unreliable sources of news about what is actually happening in Iraq, as well as what the Bush administration is actually doing or not doing.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 06:00 pm
Like the Iraqliament, the Democrat controlled Congress is adjourning for the month of August.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 06:01 pm
ican thinks he's a more reliable source of news about Iraq.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 06:28 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican thinks he's a more reliable source of news about Iraq.

cice, is an unreliable source of news about what ican thinks.


Also, cice, is an unreliable source of news about what is and is not happening in Iraq, and what the Bush administration has done and not done.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 06:41 pm
ican, You just haven't been too observant about what's been happening in Iraq, and how most politcal and media pundits are saying how incompetent and mismanaged Iraq suffered from dummy Bush. We're now going into the fifth year of this war; one of the longest in modern history with all this "progress" reported by Bush. You probably missed that "fact" too!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 06:43 pm
The biggest problem with Bush's "progress" is that more and more people are getting killed and maimed. If you can call that progress, I'm pretty sure where your head is stuck.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 06:55 pm
here is an article from FORBES on re-construction in iraq .
while the details are a little different , there are indications of plenty of trouble .
perhaps , ican might agree that FORBES is a somewhat reliable news-source ?
let's find out !
hbg

Quote:
Auditor: Iraqi Govt Ducks Reconstruction

By KIM GAMEL 07.28.07, 3:10 PM ET

BAGHDAD - The Iraqi government has refused to take control of more than 2,000 U.S.-funded reconstruction projects, a move that could jeopardize the country's credit line and cost American taxpayers, according to a report by an American watchdog agency.

The Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction said the government here initially agreed to take over the projects but the transfers stalled about a month after Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki took office in May 2006.

That forced U.S. officials to turn the reconstruction to local officials or to commit more money to keep them running.

The report, which was dated Wednesday, found that no completed projects had been transferred to the national government since June 30, 2006. It said 2,362 completed projects valued at $5.3 billion were pending as of May 31.


By contrast, 435 completed projects worth $501 million had been transferred between April 23, 2006, and June 30, 2006, according to the report.

U.S. officials have, however, formally handed 1,576 projects worth $2.6 billion to local officials despite concerns they may not be able to properly finish and run the projects.

The Washington-based agency warned that delays in transferring the projects meant less collateral for the Iraqi government in seeking loans "and could result in additional sustainment expenses for the U.S. governmental agencies that completed the projects."

The report singled out Finance Minister Bayan Jabr, who it said had changed government conditions for the transfers, effectively halting the process at the national level in July 2006.

Jabr and other Finance Ministry representatives could not be reached for comment, and al-Maliki's spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said he had no information about the report.

A senior adviser at the Iraqi Planning Ministry, which is responsible for overseeing reconstruction programs, said the government was willing to take over completed projects unless they had immediate budget implications that would need to be addressed.

"We are in need of these projects," said the adviser, Faik Abdul-Rasool. "If it is completed, we would be very happy to receive that project and start running it unless it has a financial implication on the budget, then this would be delayed."

The assessment was the latest piece of bad news for a U.S.-led war and rebuilding effort that has already cost nearly $400 billion.

Investigators said in an audit three months ago that U.S. efforts to rebuild Iraq are so beset with daily violence, corruption and poor maintenance that Iraqis will not be capable of managing reconstruction anytime soon.

Where U.S.-funded projects are built and handed over to the Iraqis, they "are not being adequately maintained," according to the April audit by the inspector general's office.


Sustainability is an important factor in explaining the slow progress in a sectors such as oil, gas, water and electricity.






RECONSTRUCTION IN IRAQ ?
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