THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

I contend that you can't prove that Western Leftists have caused any problems in Iraq. I invite you to do so, in detail, or retract your allegations.

You know that I can prove that Bushco. mistakes in Iraq have lead to our problems there, so why waste time with that?

Plz be specific about exactly how I, as a Western Leftist, and others like me, have caused specific problems in Iraq. Make sure you leave your assumptions and inferences out of it and stick to facts, plz.

Cycloptichorn

I say Western Leftists have caused more problems in Iraq than the Bush Admin.

You say I cannot prove Western Leftists have caused more problems in Iraq than the Bush Admin.

My lack of ability to prove this to your satisfaction is not in itself proof that Western Leftists have not caused more problems in Iraq than the Bush Admin.

It is self-evident that you have contributed to our enemy's belief that we Americans are an "effeminate"--their word, not mine--bunch likely to soon quit and run from Iraq.

That in turn, despite multiple loses on their part, has encouraged our enemy to persist with their insane quest to establish a Caliphate in Iraq.

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It is self-evident that you have contributed to our enemy's belief that we Americans are an "effeminate"--their word, not mine--bunch likely to soon quit and run from Iraq.

No, it isn't. Please don't use the word 'self-evident' ever again, because you clearly don't understand what it means.
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Cycloptichorn

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/self-evident
Main Entry: self-ev·i·dent
Pronunciation: -d&nt, -"dent
Function: adjective
: evident without proof or reasoning
- self-ev·i·dent·ly adverb

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To date, you have not provided a single piece of affirmative evidence to support your contention - only assumptions and inferences based upon your derangement. I will be more than happy to provide evidence - actual evidence - on any subject I have made affirmative assertions about, that you like, or retract my assertions. If you weren't so 'effeminate' you would do the same. But you won't, because you don't have the evidence, because it simply doesn't exist. All you have are allegations.

Cycloptichorn

It is self-evident that all that is merely your opinion absent evidence.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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To date, you have not provided a single piece of affirmative evidence to support your contention - only assumptions and inferences based upon your derangement. I will be more than happy to provide evidence - actual evidence - on any subject I have made affirmative assertions about, that you like, or retract my assertions. If you weren't so 'effeminate' you would do the same. But you won't, because you don't have the evidence, because it simply doesn't exist. All you have are allegations.

Cycloptichorn

It is self-evident that all that is merely your opinion absent evidence.

Just to be clear, you are alleging that you have provided evidence that Western Leftists have caused more problems in Iraq than the Bush administration has?

Can you link to where the evidence was?

Your word-games are cute, but they are no substitute for an actual argument.

Cycloptichorn

Just to let you know,chlorine gas is highly toxic.
Using a bomb to disperse the gas like the insurgents did is a violation of the Geneva Convention,and constitutes a primitive WMD.

So,since the insurgents are now using WMD's,how many on the left will denounce the actions,or will many on the left still call them "resistance fighters",fighting US troops.

Also,why did the insurgents attack innocent civilians with WMD like this?

Hey spike! Where we going spike? What you wanna do now Spike?

To ican, everything he says is "self-evident." No need for outside evidence or confirmation.

ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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To date, you have not provided a single piece of affirmative evidence to support your contention - only assumptions and inferences based upon your derangement. I will be more than happy to provide evidence - actual evidence - on any subject I have made affirmative assertions about, that you like, or retract my assertions. If you weren't so 'effeminate' you would do the same. But you won't, because you don't have the evidence, because it simply doesn't exist. All you have are allegations.

Cycloptichorn

It is self-evident that all that is merely your opinion absent evidence.

Just to be clear, you are alleging that you have provided evidence that Western Leftists have caused more problems in Iraq than the Bush administration has?
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Cycloptichorn

Just to be clear, I did not allege that I "have provided evidence that Western Leftists have caused more problems in Iraq than the Bush administration has."

I have provided an explanation why I think Western Leftists claiming we have lost the Iraq war have caused a greater problem in Iraq than the sum of the problems the Bush administration has caused in Iraq. I have explained why I think Western Leftists have encouraged the MMONM (i.e., Mass Murderers Of Non-Murderers) to believe that if they persist mass murdering non-murderers in Iraq, the US will remove its military from Iraq before the Iraqis can, without our help, protect themselves against the MMONM.

I have claimed that it is self-evident that the persistence of the MMONM in Iraq is a greater problem than the sum of the alleged problems the Bush Administration has caused in Iraq attempting to eliminate the MMONM from Iraq.

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You have several times falsely alleged that one cannot prove a negative. It has been proven that the earth is not the center of the universe. It has been proven that the speed of light does not vary with the speed of its source.
It has been proven that one can prove a negative.

What is your evidence that it is not self-evident that the persistence of the MMONM in Iraq is a greater problem than the sum of the alleged problems the Bush Administration has caused in Iraq attempting to eliminate the MMONM?

The fact that you refuse to provide evidence or confirmation for your assertion that Western Leftists are responsible for the majority of problems in Iraq, or at least more responsible than those who have actually run the war.

Prove everyone wrong! Post your evidence - not your theory or supposition, your real evidence - that your assertions are true. Otherwise you're just going to have to continue to accept some very valid criticism of your position.

Cycloptichorn