And about Iraq:
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Tightening race? Not in these polls
The polls giveth, and the polls taketh away.
A new CNN poll out this morning shows the Democrats' advantage over Republicans growing just as sharply as three other polls show it shrinking. The CNN poll has the Democrats leading the Republicans by 20 percentage points in generic ballot matchups, a nine-point increase over what the same poll found just a week ago.
Meanwhile, Fox News is reporting that its newest poll shows Democrats with a 13-point edge over Republicans. No details yet, but we do know that a 13-point lead now would be a two-point increase over the 11-point advantange Democrats held in the Fox poll two weeks ago.
cjhsa wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:cjh wrote (in red): Hmmm. Things look like they're going pretty good to me. Unemployment is low,
The government stats on unemoployment is a BIG LIE. There are over two (2) million college grads every year, and only 70,000 jobs/month were created during Bush's reign. Do the math - if you can.
Sure, you forgot that 10's of thousands of people leave the workforce every month. They retire. They change jobs. They die.
But of course you'd overlook that convenient fact to prove your non-point.
The economy traditionally requires 150k jobs per month created just to break even with population growth... and yes, that includes people changing jobs and leaving the workforce.
Your claim that the stock market is 'skyrocketing' comes as a surprise to millions of investors in America... who have seen far more modest gains than in the nineties, when the market actually was skyrocketing.
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cjh wrote: Sure, you forgot that 10's of thousands of people leave the workforce every month. Prove this with evidence.
chh wrote:
They retire.
No shet! More seniors are working after retirement age, because they failed to save enough for their retirement. Those numbers who are retiring are decreasing, not increasing. Show us statistics that shows otherwise.
cjh wrote:
They change jobs.
You're grasping at straws: they're stil lin the "work force."
cjh wrote:
They die.
What? There's been a sudden change during Bush' presidency? What a dork.
cjh wrote: "...they're celebrating in iraq."
Funny!
November 5, 2006 7:33 AM
Vanity Unfair
A response to Vanity Fair.
An NRO Symposium
Editor's Note: On Friday, Vanity Fair issued a press release highlighting excerpts of a piece in their January issue on "neoconservative" supporters of the war in Iraq who today, unsurprisingly, have some negative things to say about how the war is going and how the Bush administration has been handling it.
In the wake of the press release - which has gotten considerable play on the Internet - some of those "neoconservatives" highlighted in the article have responded to the excerpts and its misrepresentations, in some cases, of what they said. We collect some of those reactions ?- including from Eliot Cohen, David Frum, Michael Ledeen, Richard Perle, and Michael Rubin ?- below.
Eliot A. Cohen
Being neither Republican nor Democrat, and thinking the government's conduct of the Iraq war an entirely appropriate subject of political debate I do not think anyone should have kept mum in an interview of this kind until an election had passed. That said, I had assumed that the interview would not be published until January, and find the timing of this release of excerpts tendentious, to say the least.
I stand by what I said, however, which is no different from what I have said in other venues, including in articles in the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal as well a in a variety of print and television interviews over several years. Indeed, insofar as I have any personal regrets as I look back on my public statements about the war, it is for not having spoken up even more often and forcefully than I already have. I believed in 2003 that the war was just and appropriate, and have been deeply distressed at its conduct. There is no public service, however, in misleading ourselves about the situation in which we find ourselves, or in softening critiques which are necessary if we are to do better in the future.
?- Eliot A. Cohen is Robert E. Osgood Professor of Strategic Studies at Johns Hopkins SAIS.
cicerone imposter wrote:No shet! More seniors are working after retirement age, because they failed to save enough for their retirement. Those numbers who are retiring are decreasing, not increasing. Show us statistics that shows otherwise.
Please show evidence of this C.I.
McG, It doesn't work that way; cjh made the first claim; he has the ball in his court to prove it. After he does, I'll follow with my evidence.
You made that claim C.I., not him and I am asking you to back it up.
You aren't being a hypocrite, are you? Surely you would show cjhsa how it's done when someone asks you for supporting documentation, right?
McG, Here's a clue: just type "more seniors working after retirement age" in any search engine. Then, get back to us and tell us what you find.
"They retire" without facts are just so much BS that underscores his claims about the "work force."
Cripes ci, in 2006 it is estimated that almost 60,000 people will retire from the GOVERNMENT alone!
http://www.opm.gov/feddata/retire/rs-projections.pdf
If you translate that statistic of 3.4%, and assuming a likely small number of workers at 100M, that is 3.4M retirees/year, almost 300K/month. And that is gonna go up soon - baby boomers - did you forget?
Please keep quoting from Vanity Fair. It really increases your credibility.
If that's all it takes, why are you giving cjhsa such a hard time asking him for sources and what not.
Perhaps you could go to google and type in "seniors retiring" and see what you dicsover.
While you are there, perhaps you could google "why do old, well travelled, liberal men act like little children on the internet"
cjh, Here's a clue for you; we're talking about the whole country.
I'm giving him a hard time, because he blabbers bull shet all the time, and I'll challenge him on it every time he spews it.
cicerone imposter wrote:cjh, Here's a clue for you; we're talking about the whole country.
What, did I forget the 25M illegal aliens?
Did you ever get an HD signal, and do you know what one looks like?
Do you know what the "whole country" is?
Typical right-wing diversion; who the f...ks talking about HD signals?
I posted a response back on the previous page. Read faster.
cicerone imposter wrote:Typical right-wing diversion; who the f...ks talking about HD signals?
Well, all I can say is I tried to help. Typical liberal bs in that you argued with me endlessly about something you didn't know anything about. And you continue.