John Kerry - what a dork

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

He did what "they" wanted?

Not, he did what he should have?

It sounds like you don't think he should have apologized.

<shrugs> He effed up a line in typical Kerry fashion. He didnt actually say anything bad about soldiers, he didnt intend to say anything bad about soldiers, but he bumbled his line up in such a way that it could be taken that way. So he explained afterward that that wasnt what he meant.

Yeah, as far as I'm concerned that should have been the end of the story.

But yeah, instead we got the disingenious shitstorm conservative talking heads kicked up and riled the troops up with, about how Kerry didnt just misspoke, no what actually happened was that he revealed how he thinks soldiers are stupid. Right. In the face of that, he had to do this full apology - but that is all already fully in the realm of stupid politicking.

Good grief is there a more lame practice than the use of < >?

....revealed his [Kerry's] inner narcissim and the contradictions in his own, largely self-manufactured image as a war hero.

....It was no coincidence that all but one of his fellow officers in his Swift Boat Squadron (those who knew him best) were active members of the Swift Boat Vetrans For Truth group.....

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Good grief is there a more lame practice than the use of < >?

Yeah there is.

The kind of acidic, personally offensive, boneheaded, mean-spirited, and baitingly rhetorical posts you specialise in, as vain as they are usually void of substantive content, constitute a much lamer practice.

Cant wait till we have the "ignore" function.

nimh wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

He did what "they" wanted?

Not, he did what he should have?

It sounds like you don't think he should have apologized.

<shrugs> He effed up a line in typical Kerry fashion. He didnt actually say anything bad about soldiers, he didnt intend to say anything bad about soldiers, but he bumbled his line up in such a way that it could be taken that way. So he explained afterward that that wasnt what he meant.

Yeah, as far as I'm concerned that should have been the end of the story.

But yeah, instead we got the disingenious shitstorm conservative talking heads kicked up and riled the troops up with, about how Kerry didnt just misspoke, no what actually happened was that he revealed how he thinks soldiers are stupid. Right. In the face of that, he had to do this full apology - but that is all already fully in the realm of stupid politicking.

<nimh>

Good grief is there a more lame practice than the use of < >? Invariably the use makes me wince. <Sigh> being the absolute worse. <Shrugs> is right up there.

Having said this, did Nimh actually answer my question?

Should Kerry have apologized?

It is astounding that Liberals might slough off the possibility that one of their kind may have offended someone. Isn't it a Liberal axiom that if one says something that offends anyone, one must apologize?

Irrespective of his intent, Kerry insulted a large group of Americans.

Now we can say. "Screw them. The idiots don't even realize that they are being gamed by Bush & Co.," or we can say "Their feeling of offense is reasonable and therefore requires an apology."

Nimh your reaction to this story is all too predictable.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Good grief is there a more lame practice than the use of < >?

Yeah there is.

The kind of acidic, personally offensive, boneheaded, mean-spirited, and baitingly rhetorical posts you specialise in, as vain as they are usually void of substantive content, constitute a much lamer practice.

Cant wait till we have the "ignore" function.

You Want An Apology? Here's Your F*%king Apology!

Steve Young

Kerry botches a joke about Bush. Republicans demand an apology to the troops and their families.

A problem for Democrats? Only if they don't seek the answer inside the problem.

The answer? Republicans want to call for apologies when defaming, undermining and letting down our troops? Let's get this party started.

COMMERCIAL #1
Run Bush's hysterical search for WMD at the White House Press Corp Dinner.
Ending Graphic: Where is the apology?

COMMERCIAL #2
Run Rumsfeld's "Go to war with the army you have, not the one you want."
Ending Graphic: Where is the apology?

COMMERCIAL #3
Run Cheney's "The insurgency, if you will, is in its last throes."
Ending Graphic: Where is the apology?

COMMERCIAL #4
Run John Boehner's "We''ll beat (Kerry) to death."
Ending Graphic: Where is the apology?

COMMERCIAL #5
Run Bush's "Brownie, your'e doin' a heckuva job."
Ending Graphic: Where is the apology?

COMMERCIAL #6
Run Cheney's "We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators."
Ending Graphic: Where is the apology?


COMMERCIAL #7

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-young/you-want-an-apology-her_b_33165.html

georgeob1 wrote:

....revealed his [Kerry's] inner narcissim and the contradictions in his own, largely self-manufactured image as a war hero.

And what of the men who served under Kerry who got up on the stage at the convention and testified to Kerry's leadership-were THEY figments of the imagination?

georgeob1 wrote:

....It was no coincidence that all but one of his fellow officers in his Swift Boat Squadron (those who knew him best) were active members of the Swift Boat Vetrans For Truth group.....

But the officers did NOT know him best. The men who served under Kerry knew him best-and they testify to Kerry's leadership and performance under fire.

Have you tried the Mozilla browser? The ignore works fine....

And what of the men who served under Kerry who got up on the stage at the convention and testified to Kerry's leadership-were THEY figments of the imagination?

okie wrote:

Can't explain some of those men on his own boat, but the fact is there were many boats besides his and some of the officers on his level that communicated with Kerry in regard to his boat relative to theirs would know Kerry better in many regards than the people on his own boat.

Baloney. The men who were in combat under Kerry's command, who had to face enemy fire in the aluminum hulled boat under Kerry's command, who survived under Kerry's leadership know him best, not the commanding officers on other boats. And the men under Kerry's command got up on stage and vouched for this man's leadership under those circumstances. That's what counts.

kelticwizard wrote:

And what of the men who served under Kerry who got up on the stage at the convention and testified to Kerry's leadership-were THEY figments of the imagination?

okie wrote:

Can't explain some of those men on his own boat, but the fact is there were many boats besides his and some of the officers on his level that communicated with Kerry in regard to his boat relative to theirs would know Kerry better in many regards than the people on his own boat.

Baloney. The men who were in combat under Kerry's command, who had to face enemy fire in the aluminum hulled boat under Kerry's command, who survived under Kerry's leadership know him best, not the commanding officers on other boats. And the men under Kerry's command got up on stage and vouched for this man's leadership under those circumstances. That's what counts.

and what of every other Vietnam vet

georgeob1 wrote:

....revealed his [Kerry's] inner narcissim and the contradictions in his own, largely self-manufactured image as a war hero.

And what of the men who served under Kerry who got up on the stage at the convention and testified to Kerry's leadership-were THEY figments of the imagination?