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Bill Clinton Takes On Fox News

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 10:58 am
Re: BBB
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Hardly. The economy is medium at best. Real wages for the average person haven't risen in years, the amount of jobs created under Bush is the lowest ever. You're comparing, at this point in the presidency, 20 million jobs for Clinton v. how many for Bush? 4 million? If that.

Wars also tend to create jobs as well, so it's not really a good excuse to say that we are 'at war.'

The markets have been basically flat, health insurance costs have skyrocketed, our national debt has gone up by several trillion dollars in just the last few years, our national savings rate is negative, etc... there simply is no comparison between the economy of Clinton and Bush, Clinton's economy was miles better, and our current one sucks.


The current economic situation is based on the wars we are fighting. Bush was given an economy nose-diving into a recession as a result of Clinton's economic policies. The Bush administration has done a wonderful job of not only getting us out of the Clinton recession, but reversing it into a booming economy considering world events. Between the Clinton recession and 9/11, it's a wonder the US recovered at all.

The markets have been flat? Where? Certainly not in the US. The stock market has been all over the place.

I agree that there can be no comparison. The Clinton administration was a prosperous time for America, so prosperous that thousands lost their pensions and millions of dollars were lost when the high-tech market crashed and large companies deceived their stock holders into believing the same hype you appear to have latched onto.

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international relations are good (aside from those that hate us, which would hate us regardless of who the president was)


No, international relations aren't good. International opinions, including most of our allied countries, are very negative about America right now. It isn't enough for you to just say 'relations are good' when you know they aren't... and not just amongst people who 'hate us regardless,' either.


You are absolutely wrong. Whether Hans in Germany likes the US or Xingu in China likes the US, or Abduul in Iraq likes the US has NO, ZERO, NADA bearing on international relations. No country has severed diplomatic ties with the US, no country has sent back any money that we have given them and no country has backed out of any treaties with the US.

Countries like Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Iran have negative opinions of the US... Frankly, I don't give a **** about those governments and the sooner the world is done with them, the better.

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the budget could be better, but we are at war and that always leads to budgetary problems.


True, though non-military spending has also risen under Bush. It's enough to make a Conservative cry, really.


Yep and that spending has made many conservatives question what our leaders have been doing.

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I didn't say he was worse, BBB sais "he (Clinton) was a better president than Bush could ever pretend to be. "

I'd like to see the justifications for that.


He was. He got more done during his term, the country was doing better, both financially, diplomatically and culturally, there was less division amongst the people of America, and our international position was at its highest level in years. How can you possibly say that Bush is better? With what matrix could you judge Bush a 'better' president??

Cycloptichorn


There is that "doing better" crap again.

He got more done? Like what? Are you referring to his extra-marital affairs in the white house? How do you quantify "got more done"? How many dictators did Clinton depose? How many countries did the US cut and run from during the Clinton years? How many tax cuts happened during the CLinton years? How many terrorists were killed during the Clinton years?

Financially - No way of judging that, give specifics. Give specifics in such a way that raw numbers don't simply make your point while ignoring the reasons why the numbers are different. You can't ignore the effects that the Clinton induced recession and the attacks on 9/11 had on the economy financially. We have recovered quite well considering.

Culturally? You mean fahrenheit 9-11? Is that what makes better culture? I see no differences in American culture now or then.

America not divided?! What hole did you pull that out of? It was Clinton's whole presidency that started the divide in America. The Republicans indictment of Clinton and later impeachment that wounded America. It wouldn't mattered if Jesus himself won the Republican presidency, the Democrats have been out for blood since day one and there is NO way you get to blame the current division in America solely at the hands of the Bush administration.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 10:58 am
Old Europe, ask the U.S. Congress, as when they authorized Bush to use force in their resolution, one of the two reasons was to enforce U.N. resolutions. Check the history of all the resolutions. There were many.

http://www.policyalmanac.org/world/archive/hgop_iraq_resolution.shtml
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 11:15 am
okie wrote:
Old Europe, ask the U.S. Congress, as when they authorized Bush to use force in their resolution, one of the two reasons was to enforce U.N. resolutions. Check the history of all the resolutions. There were many.

http://www.policyalmanac.org/world/archive/hgop_iraq_resolution.shtml



In order to enforce a UN resolution with military means, the UN has to issue a mandate for such an operation. The US neither had that mandate, nor did the UN resolution pertaining to Iraq necessarily call for military means.

Do you think any country should be able to pick any UN resolution, and then be allowed to "enforce" it with military means without UN consent? Do you think Syria, for example, should be allowed to enforce the UN resolutions relating to Israel by invading Israel?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 11:18 am
okie wrote:
Is it because of Afghanistan or Iraq or both, or is it something else? Why is Bush catching criticism in Europe for trying to enforce the U.N. resolutions, the same ones that many of the countries voted for?

By the way, favorable opinions have risen in a few countries, although they aren't Spain, France, Germany, and the UK.


Which resolutions would that be?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 11:37 am
old europe wrote:


Okie, what UN resolution did Bush try to enforce by invading Iraq?


He was enforcing the rule which says that you don't poison the United States senate office building with anthrax and get away with it.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 11:41 am
gungasnake wrote:
old europe wrote:


Okie, what UN resolution did Bush try to enforce by invading Iraq?


He was enforcing the rule which says that you don't poison the United States senate office building with anthrax and get away with it.


Wasn't it determined that the anthrax stemmed from US labs? Should the US have invaded the US, then?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 11:51 am
Re: BBB
McGentrix wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Hardly. The economy is medium at best. Real wages for the average person haven't risen in years, the amount of jobs created under Bush is the lowest ever. You're comparing, at this point in the presidency, 20 million jobs for Clinton v. how many for Bush? 4 million? If that.

Wars also tend to create jobs as well, so it's not really a good excuse to say that we are 'at war.'

The markets have been basically flat, health insurance costs have skyrocketed, our national debt has gone up by several trillion dollars in just the last few years, our national savings rate is negative, etc... there simply is no comparison between the economy of Clinton and Bush, Clinton's economy was miles better, and our current one sucks.


The current economic situation is based on the wars we are fighting. Bush was given an economy nose-diving into a recession as a result of Clinton's economic policies. The Bush administration has done a wonderful job of not only getting us out of the Clinton recession, but reversing it into a booming economy considering world events. Between the Clinton recession and 9/11, it's a wonder the US recovered at all.

The markets have been flat? Where? Certainly not in the US. The stock market has been all over the place.

I agree that there can be no comparison. The Clinton administration was a prosperous time for America, so prosperous that thousands lost their pensions and millions of dollars were lost when the high-tech market crashed and large companies deceived their stock holders into believing the same hype you appear to have latched onto.


Hmm, it's hard to argue with the record job creation numbers, the dropping of the national debt, the balanced budgets, and the shrinking gap between the poor and rich during the Clinton admin. The fact that the high-tech market got overextended prevents this from being a stellar period, but people were doing better then than they are now, by many definitions of 'better.'

There is no evidence that 9/11 hurt the country seriously economically. Within just 9 months, we had made back the vast majority of the losses in the stock market. Everything else is just an excuse used by unprofitable sectors of our economy to get handouts from the gov't.

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international relations are good (aside from those that hate us, which would hate us regardless of who the president was)


No, international relations aren't good. International opinions, including most of our allied countries, are very negative about America right now. It isn't enough for you to just say 'relations are good' when you know they aren't... and not just amongst people who 'hate us regardless,' either.


You are absolutely wrong. Whether Hans in Germany likes the US or Xingu in China likes the US, or Abduul in Iraq likes the US has NO, ZERO, NADA bearing on international relations. No country has severed diplomatic ties with the US, no country has sent back any money that we have given them and no country has backed out of any treaties with the US.

Countries like Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Iran have negative opinions of the US... Frankly, I don't give a **** about those governments and the sooner the world is done with them, the better.


You're wrong if you just think it is countries like the ones you list that matter. Perhaps you are unaware, but the civlian populations in foreign democracies are represented by their leaders the same way that our population is. If enough people in foreign countries dislike our policies for long enough, it will begin to have serious ramifications on our ability to lead other countries in the global struggle against poverty, terrorism, and war.

It is other developed countries whose populations are turning against us. Unlike you, I happen to think that this matters.

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the budget could be better, but we are at war and that always leads to budgetary problems.


True, though non-military spending has also risen under Bush. It's enough to make a Conservative cry, really.


Yep and that spending has made many conservatives question what our leaders have been doing.


No argument here.

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I didn't say he was worse, BBB sais "he (Clinton) was a better president than Bush could ever pretend to be. "

I'd like to see the justifications for that.


He was. He got more done during his term, the country was doing better, both financially, diplomatically and culturally, there was less division amongst the people of America, and our international position was at its highest level in years. How can you possibly say that Bush is better? With what matrix could you judge Bush a 'better' president??

Cycloptichorn


There is that "doing better" crap again.

He got more done? Like what? Are you referring to his extra-marital affairs in the white house? How do you quantify "got more done"? How many dictators did Clinton depose? How many countries did the US cut and run from during the Clinton years? How many tax cuts happened during the CLinton years? How many terrorists were killed during the Clinton years?


He didn't depose any dicators, but that isn't a measure of how good a president is.

He didn't preside over any tax cuts, but that isn't a measure of how good a president is.

He didn't preside over the killing of many terrorists, but that isn't a measure of how good a president is.

He was a strong, effective, and respected leader, both at home and worldwide. Even in the midst of the trumped-up Lewinsky scandal, his approval ratings were still way higher than Bush's, both domestically and foreign. Why is this? Becuase people knew that his personal life was seperate from his governance, and they didn't really have a problem with his governance.

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Financially - No way of judging that, give specifics. Give specifics in such a way that raw numbers don't simply make your point while ignoring the reasons why the numbers are different. You can't ignore the effects that the Clinton induced recession and the attacks on 9/11 had on the economy financially. We have recovered quite well considering.


Financially? The job creation record, shrinking debt, budget surplus, amazing rise of the Dow, shrinking gap between the rich and poor, I could go on all day. There are plenty of matricies in which one could say that the country was better off under Clinton than Bush.

You are forgetting the fact that historically, wars have created more jobs as the country enters a wartime economy. The fact is that Bush didn't put us into a wartime economy for this war. Everything is being paid for on loan, noone is being asked to sacrifice anything to pay for our foreign adventures. This is astoundingly poor fiscal planning on the part of Bush and the Republicans, a mistake that we will be paying for for years.

The only sector to show job growth under Bush is Healthcare... every other sector has lost jobs in the last 5 years. Not a great track record there.

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Culturally? You mean fahrenheit 9-11? Is that what makes better culture? I see no differences in American culture now or then.


Um, that doesn't have anything to do with the Clinton era, as F9/11 was produced several years after he left office.

No, I am referring to the fact that the Republicans have used each and every opportunity possible to use divisive politics to win elections and maintain their control of the country. We have a far more polarized electorate today than during Clinton's time. Remember Bush's promise to be a 'Uniter, not a divider?' Big-time lie there.

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America not divided?! What hole did you pull that out of? It was Clinton's whole presidency that started the divide in America. The Republicans indictment of Clinton and later impeachment that wounded America. It wouldn't mattered if Jesus himself won the Republican presidency, the Democrats have been out for blood since day one and there is NO way you get to blame the current division in America solely at the hands of the Bush administration.


Perhaps not solely, but the invasion of Iraq took the national unity that existed post 9/11 and ripped it to shreds, and you know it.

Cycloptichorn
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:15 pm
Did Clinton Really Give Bush A "Comprehensive Anti-Terror Strategy?"
The former president says he did. The record says he didn't.

By Byron York


"The country never had a comprehensive anti-terror operation until I came to office," former president Bill Clinton told Fox News on Sunday. "I left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy."

"We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al Qaeda," says Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, in a new interview with the New York Post. "The notion somehow for eight months the Bush administration sat there and didn't [fight al Qaeda] is just flatly false."

Well, which is it? The argument over whether, in January 2001, the Clinton administration left the incoming Bush administration a blueprint to destroy Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda has been going on for years now. Long before the Clinton Fox interview, it came to a boil in the late summer of 2002, on the eve of the first anniversary of the September 11 attacks, when Time magazine published a 10,400-word story, "They Had A Plan," blaming the Bush administration for not following the Clinton newly developed administration's strategy.

The Clinton plan, Time reported, was drawn up after the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole. In the wake of that bombing, Time said, White House anti-terror chief Richard Clarke put together "an aggressive plan to take the fight to al-Qaeda." Clarke reportedly wanted to break up al Qaeda cells, cut off their funding, destroy their sanctuaries, and give major support to the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. In addition, Time reported, "the U.S. military would start planning for air strikes on the camps and for the introduction of special-operations forces into Afghanistan." It was, in the words of a senior Bush administration official quoted by Time, "everything we've done since 9/11."

Time said Clarke presented the "strategy paper" to national-security adviser Sandy Berger on December 20, 2000, but Berger decided not to act on it. "We would be handing [the Bush administration] a war when they took office," Time quoted an unnamed former Clinton aide saying. "That wasn't going to happen." Instead, Berger ?- who is portrayed as a tough-talking hardliner on terrorism ?- urged Rice, the incoming national-security adviser, to take action. But the new administration didn't follow that good advice. The Clinton proposals, Time reported, "became a victim of the transition process, turf wars and time spent on the pet policies of new top officials."

The Time account was explosive. Or at least it seemed to be explosive ?- until we heard more of the story.

After the article appeared, National Review talked to Georgia Republican Saxby Chambliss, who was then a member of the House, chairing the Subcommittee on Terrorism and Homeland Security. Chambliss was perplexed. "I've had Dick Clarke testify before our committee several times, and we've invited Samuel Berger several times," Chambliss told NR, "and this is the first I've ever heard of that plan." If it was such a big deal, Chambliss wondered, why didn't anyone mention it?

Sources at the White House were just as baffled. At the time, they were carefully avoiding picking public fights with the previous administration over the terrorism issue. But privately, they told NR that the Time report was way off base. "There was no new plan to topple al Qaeda," one source said flatly. "No new plan." When asked if there was, perhaps, an old plan to topple al Qaeda, which might have been confused in the Time story, the source said simply, "No."

Finally, Richard Clarke himself debunked the story in a background briefing with reporters. He said he presented two things to the incoming Bush administration: "One, what the existing strategy had been. And two, a series of issues ?- like aiding the Northern Alliance, changing Pakistan policy, changing Uzbek policy ?- that they had been unable to come to any new conclusions from ?'98 on."

A reporter asked: "Were all of those issues part of an alleged plan that was late December and the Clinton team decided not to pursue because it was too close to ?- "

"There was never a plan, Andrea," Clarke answered. "What there was was these two things: One, a description of the existing strategy, which included a description of the threat. And two, those things which had been looked at over the course of two years, and which were still on the table."


"So there was nothing that developed, no documents or no new plan of any sort?


"There was no new plan."

"No new strategy? I mean, I mean, I don't want to get into a semantics ?- "

"Plan, strategy ?- there was no, nothing new."

"Had those issues evolved at all from October of ?'98 until December of 2000?"

"Had they evolved? Not appreciably."

Amid all the controversy, some former Clinton-administration officials began to pull back on their story. One of them ?- who asked not to be named ?- told NR that Time didn't have it quite right. "There were certainly ongoing efforts throughout the eight years of the Clinton administration to fight terrorism," the official said. "It was certainly not a formal war plan. We wouldn't have characterized it as a formal war plan. The Bush administration was briefed on the Clinton administration's ongoing efforts and threat assessments." That, of course, was pretty much what the Bush White House said had had happened all along.

But now, the story is back in the news. "At least I tried [to destroy al Qaeda]," Clinton told Fox. "That's the difference in me and some, including all the right wingers who are attacking me now. They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try and they didn't…I tried. So I tried and failed. When I failed I left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy…" Perhaps the former president hoped to put an end to the questions about his record on terrorism. Instead, he just brought the issue back to public scrutiny.

?- Byron York, NR's White House correspondent, is the author of the book The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy: The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President ?- and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.

Source (Because Walter likes links to the original article)
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:22 pm
It is amusing that Fox is now spinning the interview with Clinton so as to portray Wallace as a victim.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200609260002?src=other
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:23 pm
Condolezza Rice dispels the lies of Clinton in short order.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215779,00.html

Was this performance by Clinton some planned, orchestrated thing in an effort to help the Democrats? By the flood of spin so fast on the web and other places, it makes you wonder, but if it was, I think it is backfiring. If the Democrats are going to rely on Clinton to lend any credibility to their cause, they are sadly mistaken.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:25 pm
Advocate wrote:
It is amusing that Fox is now spinning the interview with Clinton so as to portray Wallace as a victim.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200609260002?src=other


Wallace asked a simple question, and Clinton set about to attack Fox and right wingers instead of answering the question. Clinton showed himself for what he is, a loser.
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:30 pm
okie wrote:
Advocate wrote:
It is amusing that Fox is now spinning the interview with Clinton so as to portray Wallace as a victim.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200609260002?src=other


Wallace asked a simple question, and Clinton set about to attack Fox and right wingers instead of answering the question. Clinton showed himself for what he is, a loser.


The conservative position is, we can attack you but if you defend yourself we will make you look like the bad guy.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:32 pm
okie wrote:
Condolezza Rice dispels the lies of Clinton in short order.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215779,00.html

Was this performance by Clinton some planned, orchestrated thing in an effort to help the Democrats? By the flood of spin so fast on the web and other places, it makes you wonder, but if it was, I think it is backfiring. If the Democrats are going to rely on Clinton to lend any credibility to their cause, they are sadly mistaken.


Alright, c'mon.

It is pretty likely that Clinton didn't want to do the interview on Fox in the first place, but only agreed to because of his desire for media exposure about his recent charity efforts. In all likelyhood, he was given the agreement that they would spend most of the time talking about his charity, and not about the ABC movie, which he probably didn't want to discuss at all. Wallace (under orders, for sure) ignored that and dove right in to the topic that Clinton didn't want to talk about, in order to make him look bad - let's not kid ourselves, it was in order to make him look bad.

Clinton got pissed and responded. Simple as that. I doubt it was calculated at all.

Cycloptichorn
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:32 pm
Okie, how is Clinton a loser? He served for eight prosperous years, and left with high approval ratings.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:36 pm
2001 memo to Rice contradicts statements about Clinton, Pakistan http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/2001_memo_to_Rice_contradicts_statements_0926.html
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:41 pm
Advocate, because his legacy is that of a loser. About the only thing he ever accomplished in office that amounted to a hill of beans was welfare reform, and that was a Republican initiative. He did absolutely nothing about terrorism, and our reputation around the world among the people made him a laughing stock because of Monica. Our reputation as a culture suffered greatly because of people thinking of Americans differently as a result of his lack of decency. Nobody respects Clinton, including his supporters.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:44 pm
okie wrote:
Advocate, because his legacy is that of a loser. About the only thing he ever accomplished in office that amounted to a hill of beans was welfare reform, and that was a Republican initiative. He did absolutely nothing about terrorism, and our reputation around the world among the people made him a laughing stock because of Monica. Our reputation as a culture suffered greatly because of people thinking of Americans differently as a result of his lack of decency. Nobody respects Clinton, including his supporters.


Actually, Clinton enjoys a far more respected position around the world than either Bush or his dad. You don't seem to realize that most people didn't care at all about the Monica Lewisnki thing, certainly not in other countries.

I think our reputation as a culture has suffered far more from our current inclination to disappear and torture people than it did from a blowjob. The statistical data seems to support this, and I can find it for you if you like.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:45 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
2001 memo to Rice contradicts statements about Clinton, Pakistan http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/2001_memo_to_Rice_contradicts_statements_0926.html


Blueflame, if Clinton cared about doing something about terrorists, he would have captured or killed OBL when he had the chance and when he was encouraged to do it.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:45 pm
okie wrote:
Advocate wrote:
It is amusing that Fox is now spinning the interview with Clinton so as to portray Wallace as a victim.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200609260002?src=other


Wallace asked a simple question, and Clinton set about to attack Fox and right wingers instead of answering the question. Clinton showed himself for what he is, a loser.


Did you see the same interview that I saw???

Wanna know what I would like to see? I would like to see a debate, about anything, between George Bush and Bill Clinton.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 12:48 pm
Finn's article wrote:
After the article appeared, National Review talked to Georgia Republican Saxby Chambliss, who was then a member of the House, chairing the Subcommittee on Terrorism and Homeland Security. Chambliss was perplexed. "I've had Dick Clarke testify before our committee several times, and we've invited Samuel Berger several times," Chambliss told NR, "and this is the first I've ever heard of that plan." If it was such a big deal, Chambliss wondered, why didn't anyone mention it?

Sources at the White House were just as baffled. At the time, they were carefully avoiding picking public fights with the previous administration over the terrorism issue. But privately, they told NR that the Time report was way off base. "There was no new plan to topple al Qaeda," one source said flatly. "No new plan." When asked if there was, perhaps, an old plan to topple al Qaeda, which might have been confused in the Time story, the source said simply, "No."


The 9/11 report wrote:
As the Clinton administration drew to a close, Clarke and his staff devel=oped a policy paper of their own,the first such comprehensive effort since the Delenda plan of 1998.The resulting paper, entitled "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al Qida: Status and Prospects," reviewed the threat and the record to date, incorporated the CIA's new ideas from the Blue Sky memo, and posed several near-term policy options.
Clarke and his staff proposed a goal to "roll back" al Qaeda over a period of three to five years. Over time, the policy should try to weaken and elimi=nate the network's infrastructure in order to reduce it to a "rump group" like other formerly feared but now largely defunct terrorist organizations of the 1980s."Continued anti-al Qida operations at the current level will prevent some attacks,"Clarke's office wrote,"but will not seriously attrit their ability to plan and conduct attacks." The paper backed covert aid to the Northern Alliance, covert aid to Uzbekistan, and renewed Predator flights in March 2001.A sentence called for military action to destroy al Qaeda command-and-control targets and infrastructure andTaliban military and command assets.The paper also expressed concern about the presence of al Qaeda operatives in the United States.155


The 9/11 report wrote:
Within the first few days after Bush's inauguration,Clarke approached Rice in an effort to get her?-and the new President?-to give terrorism very high pri=ority and to act on the agenda that he had pushed during the last few months of the previous administration.After Rice requested that all senior staff iden=tify desirable major policy reviews or initiatives,Clarke submitted an elaborate memorandum on January 25, 2001. He attached to it his 1998 Delenda Plan and the December 2000 strategy paper."We urgently need ...a Principals level review on the al Qida network," Clarke wrote.172


The 9/11 report wrote:
Rice and Hadley asked Clarke and his staff to draw up the new presiden=tial directive. On June 7, Hadley circulated the first draft, describing it as "an admittedly ambitious" program for confronting al Qaeda.200 The draft NSPD's goal was to "eliminate the al Qida network of terrorist groups as a
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threat to the United States and to friendly governments." It called for a multi-year effort involving diplomacy, covert action, economic measures, law enforcement, public diplomacy, and if necessary military efforts. The State Department was to work with other governments to end all al Qaeda sanctu=aries, and also to work with the Treasury Department to disrupt terrorist financing.The CIA was to develop an expanded covert action program includ=ing significant additional funding and aid to anti-Taliban groups.The draft also tasked OMB with ensuring that sufficient funds to support this program were found in U.S. budgets from fiscal years 2002 to 2006.201
Rice viewed this draft directive as the embodiment of a comprehensive new strategy employing all instruments of national power to eliminate the al Qaeda threat.Clarke,however,regarded the new draft as essentially similar to the pro=posal he had developed in December 2000 and put forward to the new admin=istration in January 2001.202


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So if Time was confused, maybe it was because they read the 9/11 report.
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