Re: BBB
McGentrix wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:McGentrix wrote:BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:I never voted for Bill Clinton but you have to admit he was a better president than Bush could ever pretend to be.
BBB
Based on what? The fact that you don't like Bush? That we are in a war? What is it exactly that would qualify Clinton as a "better" president?
The economy, international relations and respect, the budget (hat tip to newt as well). I doubt you could find a matrix in which he could be considered to be a
worse president than Bush...
Cycloptichorn
The economy is good, international relations are good (aside from those that hate us, which would hate us regardless of who the president was), the budget could be better, but we are at war and that always leads to budgetary problems.
I didn't say he was worse, BBB sais "he (Clinton) was a better president than Bush could ever pretend to be. "
I'd like to see the justifications for that.
I'll split it up:
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The economy is good,
Hardly. The economy is medium at best. Real wages for the average person haven't risen in years, the amount of jobs created under Bush is the lowest ever. You're comparing, at this point in the presidency, 20 million jobs for Clinton v. how many for Bush? 4 million? If that.
Wars also tend to create jobs as well, so it's not really a good excuse to say that we are 'at war.'
The markets have been basically flat, health insurance costs have skyrocketed, our national debt has gone up by several trillion dollars in just the last few years, our national savings rate is negative, etc... there simply is no comparison between the economy of Clinton and Bush, Clinton's economy was miles better, and our current one sucks.
Quote:international relations are good (aside from those that hate us, which would hate us regardless of who the president was)
No, international relations aren't good. International opinions, including most of our allied countries, are very negative about America right now. It isn't enough for you to just say 'relations are good' when you know they aren't... and not just amongst people who 'hate us regardless,' either.
Quote:the budget could be better, but we are at war and that always leads to budgetary problems.
True, though non-military spending has also risen under Bush. It's enough to make a Conservative cry, really.
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I didn't say he was worse, BBB sais "he (Clinton) was a better president than Bush could ever pretend to be. "
I'd like to see the justifications for that.
He was. He got more done during his term, the country was doing better, both financially, diplomatically and culturally, there was less division amongst the people of America, and our international position was at its highest level in years. How can you possibly say that Bush is better? With what matrix could you judge Bush a 'better' president??
Cycloptichorn