NO justice for gay pride?

Love is OK, making it in public is not. By the way, defecation while being performed in the toilet is quite OK as well.

Whew.

Freedom of speech does not exist in America unless people can feel safe from their own neighbors.

Most Americans I know are very conscious about accidentally appearing to be gay (such FEAR!) because it can easily cost them reputation, friends, persecution, physical injury, or even their life. People get beat to a pulp every single day.

So I guess it comes down to any population that has been targetted with death really ought to have a parade just to see if they're still targetted or not.

When anyone is allowed to celebrate, free and clear, then there won't be much need for the parade anymore. When folks are that bored about it, then there really will be equality and freedom. Obviously, we are not there yet.

The half-naked flamboyancy may just be in-your-face testing to see how people react, to make darn well sure it really is okay. Kind of like a 21-year-old getting ripped on their birthday because suddenly it's legal to drink. So let it happen, get it over with, and get on with life without any hangups.

Outside of the parade these people are still scared for their lives. Why? Doesn't their courage deserve at least a little respect?

CodeBorg

There is no explanation that will bring understand to these sanctimoneous, strutting martinettes that will get through the barriers of their supposed moral superiority.

I don't suggest hating them as they hate others. I suggest pitying them. They live terrible fear-filled lives.

Did anyone else here study Freud? This discussion is quite interesting if you step back and take a look.

All the fears expressed about sex in pubic, butt cut-off etc are very interesting *fantasies*. They have no bearing in the truth.

The event in question is an awards ceremony held by professional civic workers. Sure the topic is a bit controversial and has something to do about "s*x" (horrors), but it is mainly to give support to a group that has, and does, experienced pressure from society based on who they are.

I apologize if bringing up facts ruins these bigoted fearful rants. But, Look at the site www.dojpride.org. You will find the group is quite professional and responsible. You can download a copy of the program of last years ceremony. It consisted of speeches, awards and a performace by a choir. The rampant sex, nudity and debauchery you describe is purely from *your* own vivid imaginations.

I have been to similar events in organizations I was a part of. The bigoted fears articulated in this discussion are unfounded in any of my experience.

The fact that the discussion turned to defecation is very interesting. Freud said sex and defecation are very much the same thing. I will let you think about that if you wish...

Although I consider sex and defecation to be two of lifes greatest pleasures, I agree that they should be enjoyed in private. This does not mean that I should be excluded from any part of civic life becuase I enjoy them (in private).

Incidently you will have to explain what you mean by "making out". I indulged in a loving kiss with my wife at my son's little league game today and no one complained. There are many things I could have done with my wife that would have been quite innappropriate, but restrained kissing of a loved one is within accepatable moral standards. I am just saying the standards should be the same for all (homosexuals and heterosexuals).

in one sense I agree that the Gay Pride day is no different from a "Tall Pride" or "Fat Man's Pride" day. It is certainly no different than a prayer meeting.

There should be room for any of these activities in civid life. It is wrong to exclude one of these activities based on the religious convictions of one person.

This knee-jerk rejection of this group based on their private lives and the immediate assumption that it consist of "flagrant" unchecked sex is the classic (Freudian) definition of "anal-retentive" behavior.

How'd this become the poopie thread? Ain't that some ****? :wink:

ebrown_p- I read your link and I was appalled. You can probably "thank" our dear Attorney General for that decision. He would probably love to erase all the gains that gays and women have acheived in these last few decades, & send us all back to the days of "Leave it to Beaver". Yeecch!

I always thought Lumpy and Eddie Haskell might have been abusing the Beaver, and I don't mean Mrs. Cleavers' either.

Father (Ashcroft) Knows Best.

Looking at the audience of such a parade, I suspect most folks there would be okay with it. The only others possibly would be some few with an axe to grind. So where's the offence?

ebrown said--All the fears expressed about sex in pubic, butt cut-off etc are very interesting *fantasies*. They have no bearing in the truth.

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1) I don't see anyone fearing homosexuals.
2) in pubic? Funny slip.
3) The sex in public and the butt cut-outs are no fantasy. I've seen them on TV in reports of the parades. They certainly are true.
4) I am a former Fag Hag, who got great delight in pairing up a couple of friends. It is always a bad idea to assume what you don't know, based on a harmless opinion. Love gay peeps; hate gay parades--except the type littlek speaks of--with quippy T-shirts.
5) It is crappy to see how people feel comfortable calling others 'haters' just because they don't share your opinion.

So do I.

I occasionally use the word -- but never to describe someone simply because they disagree with my opinion. Don't know anyone else here who has done it.

Possibly you are making one of those rash assumptions you mentioned.

And by all means you exaggerate. Both me and Sofia are against obscenities that happen in course of the gay pride parades, and not against equal rights for all the people regardless of their sexual orientation.

If you are going to play the game, best you learn the rules.

When you post a comment like this that obviously was meant to be directed to a person, direct it.

Under any circumstances, after reading what you have written, I think I portrayed what I meant to say validly.

Mind you, I don't blame you for trying to weasel out of it -- but that doesn't mean I should give you free rein to do so.

Sophia,

Read the facts on the link I posted (www.dojpride.com). These are civic servants, professionals who want to have an awards ceremony that consists of speeches, ceremonies and perhaps choral music. If you are not afraid of homosexuals, what possible reason would you have for opposing this?

Why reaction was to comments in this discussion that are not relevant at all and simply play off of stereotypes that homosexuals are flamboyant uncontrolled sexual deviants.

I am reacting to comments like this:

"... What is a good reason for Sexual Orientation Day? I think gay peeps are safer not donning their leather, butt-cut-out pants and sticking their tongues in one another's mouth on Broad Street.

Whatever happened to wild parties INSIDE OR AT SOMEONE'S HOUSE-- where people can get naked, orgy or whatever they please to their heart's content without insinuating their behavior on other uninterested people? There are some really hot nite spots in South Beach and on the Keys... There are probably gay party houses in most cities."

What does this have to do with a group of civil servants at the Department of Justice? Are you saying that all homosexuals act in inappropriate ways?

Statements like this utililze stereotypes to justify fear. But please, read the DOJ Pride site and see what they are about. Then tell me why you are afraid to let this group have a dignified awards presentation.

ebrown--
As happens on occasion, my comments gerrymandered away from the main topic and onto your basic Gay Parade.

I will look into the site you speak of--but wonder why prayer groups, Gay Meetings and other non-work stuff is so important in the workplace. IMO, before reading your info, these extraneous matters are best left away from work.

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Frank- I did misread your 'hater' comment. Thought it was in response to statements made on this thread. When I read back, I see you didn't explicitly say that.

Sofia, I don't know where you live, and don't need to, but I can assure you that your description of a gay pride parade is nowhere near basic.

I've been to a number of gay pride parades over the past couple of decades. On only one occasion did I see anything like what you have described.

I liked that you suggested keeping extraneous things away from work. The next time someone starts blathering about babies and weddings, I can happily tell them to clam up. They are as extraneous as prayer groups and gay pride meetings, and take up much more time.

This has been a really fun thread to read.
Some people want to hold an awards ceremony. If there was ever a better chance to have a boring time, I can't think of one.*
People in suits handing plaques to other people in suits.

Yet it must be somehow dangerous to the Republic for these people to honor two who fought for the rights of others at the Justice Department.

I think the most telling part of the link provided was that there was a policy, but that it had never been committed to writing. Amazing, in Washington, not committed to writing, a policy transferred, one supposes, in the great tradition of the oral historians and poets, but not the scribes, they write stuff down. Uh. Yeah. Whatever. Instead of changing the name of the awards ceremony, they should consider changing the name of the Justice Department. (Did someone already say that?)

So the fun was reading all about the stuff gay people do at parades which I have to tell you as a former technical news director is more like this: two thousand six hundred people walk by chanting and carrying signs, (no camera shot), three hundred people walk by waving at the crowd, (wide shot), one guy in a tutu and green eye shadow (close up, mid-shot, close-up of tutu to walk out of frame), twenty seven old gay men holding hands walk by (shot, but not used.) three lesbians in tee-shirts cutout so their breasts show.(mid shot with flittering masking to hide the nasty bits.) three thousand people walk by chanting and waving(long, wide shot). Total time of parade, four and half hours, total time shot, five minutes, eight seconds, total used 31 seconds.






*Wait, being taken at age nine to your aunt's house in August dressed up in your best clothes to celebrate her retirement from the factory and being the only kid there amongst forty fat adults all of whom ask you the same questions "What grade are you in?", "What grade will you be in next month?" and "Where's your mother?"

Guys in tutu's should not be allowed. It's not natural. :wink:

Joe Nation, that was a superb post. Thanks.

Sofia, Good comments also. Perhaps it would be better if things like "gay pride" "prayer groups" and their like, were kept out of the workplace. But if some are allowed, all should be.

That's one of the good reasons for suggesting to the people who advocate "prayer groups" that they may be setting themselves up for the law of unintended consequences.