Rosie and Extremism

jpinMilwaukee wrote:

echi wrote:
jpinMilwaukee--

This is the point I am trying to make:

The number of civilian deaths caused by US attacks is enormous. These attacks continue, in large part, because of the willingness of American Christians to remain ignorant and to just go along with whatever their preacher says. You might not call them "extremists", but the consequences of their support are extreme.

No, you said:

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Compare the numbers

Which I did.

No. You posted some reports on Islamic terrorism. You have not compared the numbers because you are not willing to look at the numbers. If you had you would see that the US is, clearly, much more extremist in the killing of civilians.

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I have also already pointed out that you are having a difficult time seperating issues. Soldiers in Iraq are not christian extremists.

Don't misrepresent my position. I stated my thoughts very directly. You can refer back if you wish.

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If you want to go rag on the war, go to a different thread. This one is about how dangerous muslim extremists and christian extremists are.

Your framing of this discussion is dishonest. There is no comparison between Muslim and Christian extremists on the conditions you have set. Is it not relevant to the discussion that many of these Muslims are living in the middle of a war? Christian extremists don't have to blow themselves up to kill innocents; they have the US military to do it for them. And if you reject the notion that these Christians adhere to an "extremist" ideology, that only goes to weaken your argument further.

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Atavistic wrote:

echi wrote:

The number of civilian deaths caused by US attacks is enormous. These attacks continue, in large part, because of the willingness of American Christians to remain ignorant and to just go along with whatever their preacher says. You might not call them "extremists", but the consequences of their support are extreme.

This is pure nonsense. You are implying that the only people that support war are Christians and that all Christians support war. You are either severely misinformed or intentionally distorting the truth.

Hold on, there, Atavistic. I stated that the war is due "in large part" to the support of American Christians, which it is. Never did I say that "all Christians support war".

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echi,

You have lost your mind... if you ever had it at all.

You asked me to compare numbers. I posted some news stories that support my theory that muslim extremists are more dangerous than christian extremists. Looking quickly over a two day period I found three stories that totaled 49 deaths and numerous more injuries. Deaths ranged from military personnel to presidents of countries and civilians waiting in line for cooking fuel and small children. All deaths were perpetrated by suicide bombers with ties to Islamic groups.

I then asked for you to provide evidence that supported you claim that christians are at least, as dangerous as muslim extremists. The best you could offer is your theory that Christians are actually killing innocent people by supporting the war in Iraq. I'm not sure, but I get the feeling that you may even believe that christians started the war for just such a purpose. Of course you have never exhibited anything that actually supports your theory... just more ramblings about war and christians.

So unless you have some evidence that christians are actually killing people, or that christians are behind the war and started it for the simple purpose of killing people... I'll just stick with my original statement that you have completely lost your mind and are incapable of looking at this objectively.

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JP, are you aware of the existence of the most extreme and secret form of Christian fundamentalism? I think they call themselves Dominionists (or Reconstructionists?). The father of the producer of the recent propaganda film about Clinton being the cause of 9/11 is a Dominionist. Don't know about his son. But I've heard that they are capable of as much violence as are the Wahabi version of Islam.

By the way, Atavistic, I changed (but too late) the word, "war," for "violence."
I think the difference is VERY significant. Violence, like crime, will never be completely eradicated. Bush's "war" on terrorism is grossly unrealistic as a war because our problem with islamists is more akin to our nation's perennial war on crime than our actual war with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

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jp--
Why do you figure Muslims are potentially more dangerous than Christians?

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When was the last time a bunch of Christians got together, burned effigies and flags and called for the death of anyone?

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echi wrote:

jp--
Why do you figure Muslims are potentially more dangerous than Christians?

I don't figure they are potentially more dangerous, I know that they are more dangerous.

1.) They use death as a way to perpetrate their religion
2.) The fact that they are willing to die themselves in the name of their religion in order to facilitate those deaths (and the seemingly vast number of those willing to do so)
3.) the fact that they even kill their own simply because they aren't as extreme as they are
4.) the silence of those that are supposedly moderate in condemning the acts of the exreme
5.) They tell us they want to kill us... and then act upon it

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McGentrix wrote:

When was the last time a bunch of Christians got together, burned effigies and flags and called for the death of anyone?

Thank Secularism.

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jpinMilwaukee wrote:

echi wrote:
jp--
Why do you figure Muslims are potentially more dangerous than Christians?

I don't figure they are potentially more dangerous, I know that they are more dangerous.

If what you say is true (that Muslim extremists are more dangerous than Christian extremists), then there must be a reason. What do you think it could be? Are they just born like that? Let's have a look at your theory.

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JLNobody wrote:

JP, are you aware of the existence of the most extreme and secret form of Christian fundamentalism? I think they call themselves Dominionists (or Reconstructionists?). The father of the producer of the recent propaganda film about Clinton being the cause of 9/11 is a Dominionist. Don't know about his son. But I've heard that they are capable of as much violence as are the Wahabi version of Islam.

I have not. After a brief search on wikipedia I found that Dominionists are basically a "a trend in Protestant Christian evangelicalism and fundamentalism, primarily, though not exclusively, in the United States, that seeks to establish specific political policies based on religious beliefs." Now I certainly see the potential for dangerous laws based soley on the teachings of the bible, but I saw nothing about murdering those that do not believe what they do.

Christian Reconstructionism, whicg seems to be an extreme minority group often associated with the dominionists are similar in their beliefs however, some of their group do believe "God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for active homosexuals, for adulterers, and perhaps even recalcitrant youths." Now I do agree with the death penalty for especially violent murderers (or repeat offenders), but do not condone the death penalty for "active homosexuals, for adulterers, and perhaps even recalcitrant youths" and would even admit to you the danger involved in those beliefs.

It is a rather small group of people, however, and although there is potential for dangerous acts in the future, at the present time, it is certainly nowhere near the danger that muslim extremists are causing right now.

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echi wrote:

If what you say is true (that Muslim extremists are more dangerous than Christian extremists), then there must be a reason. What do you think it could be? Are they just born like that? Let's have a look at your theory.

Their reason is their belief that those that are not muslim and who do not follow their religion must die, and their willingness to carry out that belief even at the expense of their, and anyone elses, lives.

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McGentrix wrote:

When was the last time a bunch of Christians got together, burned effigies and flags and called for the death of anyone?

When was the last time a Middle Eastern superpower tried to take over the world?

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jpinMilwaukee wrote:

Their reason is their belief that those that are not muslim and who do not follow their religion must die, and their willingness to carry out that belief even at the expense of their, and anyone elses, lives.

But these are extremists, right? What about more moderate Muslims, do they have the same potential? the same belief? What makes a Muslim extremist more dangerous than a Christian extremist?

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echi wrote:

What makes a Muslim extremist more dangerous than a Christian extremist?

The fact that they are actually killing people in large numbers.

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Is that your whole point?

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Well... Boiled down to one statement... yeah... I'd say the fact that they are killing people makes them pretty dangerous. I'm not sure what your definition of dangerous is but I get the feeling that it doesn't jive with mine.

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JLNobody wrote:

The father of the producer of the recent propaganda film about Clinton being the cause of 9/11 is a Dominionist. Don't know about his son. But I've heard that they are capable of as much violence as are the Wahabi version of Islam.

I've heard that Bush eats kittens for breakfast.

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He does.

http://swagradio.org/img/GeorgeBushEatingA_kitten.jpg

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Ticomaya wrote:

JLNobody wrote:
The father of the producer of the recent propaganda film about Clinton being the cause of 9/11 is a Dominionist. Don't know about his son. But I've heard that they are capable of as much violence as are the Wahabi version of Islam.

I've heard that Bush eats kittens for breakfast.

Interesting, I hadn't heard that, is it true?

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jp--
So, Muslim extremists are more dangerous than Christian extremists (by your definition). I don't see any point in making this distinction if there is no intention to consider the reasons for the differences.

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