Rosie and Extremism

I'd be perfectly willing to discuss any differences if you offered any.

I've done my best to answer your questions as to why I think muslims are more dangerous. If you would like to discuss reasons as to why you think christians are more dangerous, than please offer up some talking points.

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jpinMilwaukee wrote:

I'd be perfectly willing to discuss any differences if you offered any.

I've done my best to answer your questions as to why I think muslims are more dangerous. If you would like to discuss reasons as to why you think christians are more dangerous, than please offer up some talking points.

You offered that muslim extremists are more dangerous than christian extremists. Are you willing to discuss that difference?

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I thought I had been...

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What makes slammite extremists more dangerous than "Christian extremists" you ask, as if there were such a thing as a "Christian extremist" other than in leftists minds...

I'd say there's a sort of a list of things, which would have to minimally include:

The religion itself teaches violence and conquest. A Christian or Jew can be an a$$hole, but he has to violate the major ideas of his religion to do it. A slammite has to violate the main ideas of HIS religion to AVOID being an a$$hole.
Victimology, and the widespread belief amongst slammites that their problems in life are caused by extermal oppressors. In real life, the bulk of most people's problems in life are self inflicted.
Jihad, and the idea that the world is going to tolerate this terrorism schtick until I-slam prevails upon the whole Earth. In real life, if present trends continue, there's going to be a world war and slammites and I-slam are going to lose.
Feudalism. The fact that representative/responsible governments seem so rare in the slammite world. This is the area which Buch and the neo-cons view as most major and are trying to fix by creating an example of a rational government in the slammite world.
Economic malaise. The statistic which jumps out at you from the middle east most readily is the one which says that with all the oil, average income in Saudi Arabia is about a fourth or fifth that of Israel, which has no resources whatever other than brains, talent, and a willingness to work.
Tribalism and inbreeding. Rent a copy of "Deliverance" and watch it if you don't comprehend what this one is about. Genetic disase and disorder run rampant in Saudi, Pakistan, and regions of the slammite world.
Militant breeding. Several slammite groups notably "palestinians" and Albanians breed as if for a world war. I saved this one for last because it's the most dangerous part of the thing. One very serious expert views this aspect of the thing as the whole problem, at least so far as danger is concerned, and it's hard to argue with him.

http://www.worldpaper.com/archive/2002/may_01/index.gif

Sources: CIA World Factbook 2001; UN Population Fund 2001; US Bureau of Census.

Gunnar Heinsohn is a professor at the University of Bremen, in Germany.

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Did I leave anything out on that last one? Sure, a number of things.

One is propaganda and brainwashing. In particular, the "palestinians" have raised a whole generation of people intent upon becoming terrorists and suicide bombers:

http://www.pmw.org.il/

Interview with two eleven year old girls:

Quote:

Interviewer: You described Shahada as something beautiful. Do you think it is beautiful?

Walla: Shahada is a very beautiful thing. Everyone yearns for Shahada. What could be better than going to paradise?

Interviewer: What is better, peace and full rights for the Palestinian people or Shahada?

Walla: Shahada. I will achieve my rights after becoming a shahid. We won't stay children forever.

Interviewer: Ok, Yussra, would you agree with that?

Yussra: Of course. It is a good [sweet] thing. We don't want this world, we want the Afterlife. We benefit not from this life but from the Afterlife. All Palestinians, not like other youth, are hot tempered, they choose Shahada, since they are Palestinian.

Interviewer: Do you actually love death?

Yussra: Death is not Shahada.

Interviewer: No, I mean the absence after death, the physical absence, do you love death?

Yussra: No child loves death. The children of Palestine adopted the concept that this is Shahada. They believe that Shahada is very good. Every Palestinian child, say someone aged 12, says, O Lord, I would like to become a shahid.
[PA TV June 2002]

Somebody point me out to anything like that which exists in the Christian world and I'll start worrying about Christian extremists.

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echi wrote:

Atavistic wrote:
echi wrote:

The number of civilian deaths caused by US attacks is enormous. These attacks continue, in large part, because of the willingness of American Christians to remain ignorant and to just go along with whatever their preacher says. You might not call them "extremists", but the consequences of their support are extreme.

This is pure nonsense. You are implying that the only people that support war are Christians and that all Christians support war. You are either severely misinformed or intentionally distorting the truth.

Hold on, there, Atavistic. I stated that the war is due "in large part" to the support of American Christians, which it is. Never did I say that "all Christians support war".

I would argue that because "a large part" of the US population are Christians so it is only logical that a large number of war supporters are Christians. Just like a large number of anti-war people are Christians also. Generally speaking, Christianity has little to do with it. If anything, I would agree that Christians are more liable to view the world as good vs. evil, but I don't believe for a second that they support wars in order to "spread the faith" or any such thing.

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gunga--

I haven't even read your posts, yet. But ALL RIGHT, man! THAT'S what I'm talking about.

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http://www.pmw.org.il/

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The indoctrination of Palestinian children to seek death for Allah (Shahada) has been PA policy since the start of the war in October 2000, the most prominent means being the indoctrination via music videos.

The bible expressly forbids the sacrafice of Children to idols such as Molech or "allah":

LEV 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

DEU 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire...

2KI 16:3 But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel.

EZE 16:21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?

EZE 23:37 That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.

All of those stories end badly for the people being described. Jesus himself warned of "prophets" such as Mohammed (MHBH) who would re-introduce the worship of idols:

Quote:

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil.

and laid out in no uncertain terms the judgement which will ultimately fall upon palestinians or anybody else who ever raises children in such a manner:

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6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

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JLNobody wrote:

By the way, Atavistic, I changed (but too late) the word, "war," for "violence."
I think the difference is VERY significant. Violence, like crime, will never be completely eradicated. Bush's "war" on terrorism is grossly unrealistic as a war because our problem with islamists is more akin to our nation's perennial war on crime than our actual war with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

I pretty much agree with you there. But do you really believe that there will ever be an end to war?

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Atavistic wrote:

I would argue that because "a large part" of the US population are Christians so it is only logical that a large number of war supporters are Christians. Just like a large number of anti-war people are Christians also. Generally speaking, Christianity has little to do with it. If anything, I would agree that Christians are more liable to view the world as good vs. evil, but I don't believe for a second that they support wars in order to "spread the faith" or any such thing.

My comment about Christians and war had to do with the discussion on Muslim and Christian "extremists". The fact that many American Christians oppose the war in Iraq is not relevant. I agree with all of your statement, except for the last sentence. I don't have any hard evidence for this, I just know they have that missionary bent.

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gungasnake,

What about the Koran? How evil is it?

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McGentrix: "When was the last time a bunch of Christians got together, burned effigies and flags and called for the death of anyone?"

Thank goodness that's not the cultural style of Christiandom, at least since the witch burnings and Inquisition. Besides American Christians have a military whose might can shock and awe Muslims far more effectively than Muslims can do with their pitiful effigies and martrys.
Face it, both sides are insane, and would do as much damage to the other side as they could (remember, I'm talking about fundies on both sides not Muslims and Christrians per se).

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echi wrote:

gungasnake,

What about the Koran? How evil is it?

Evil isn't the word I'd use. Muhammed was basically a bandit chieftain, and his whole life reads basically like the story of a bandit chieftain. The Koran and the slammite religion are basically what you'd expect from a bandit chieftain trying to cobble together a religion maximally suited for governing and controlling confederations of bandit tribes.

Given the mileau which Muhammed lived in, the religion might have made a certain amount of sense. It's the idea of anybody trying to practice such a religion in the present world which creates problems.

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http://www.islamcomicbook.com/

http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/00-Cover-600px.jpg

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http://www.islamcomicbook.com/lyrics3.htm

Good music.....

Put a bomb in your shoe!
Let's put a bomb in your shoe!

Richard, be a good Muzzie,
Don't cha be no pussy!

Put a bomb in your shoe
and blow away!

Put a bomb in your shoe!
Let's put a bomb in your shoe!

Be a real cool Muzzie fighter,
and don't forget your lighter!

Put a bomb in your shoe
and blow away!

Yeah, you get seventy-two virgins
in Allah's bordello in the sky.

And you get twenty-four boys
with liquid brown eyes.

You can boogie in the daytime,
and you can boogie all night long.

In Mohammed's bordello,
you get wine, women and song!

(Jihad boogie music interlude.)

Let's put a bomb in your shoe!
Put a bomb in your shoe! (Richard, yeah!)

Be a real Mujahadeen,
Make sure you're not kiddin'!

Put a bomb in your shoe and blow away!

Yeah, you get seventy-two virgins
in Allah's bordello in the sky.

And you get twenty-four boys
with liquid brown eyes.

You can boogie in the daytime,
and you can boogie all night long.

In Mohammed's bordello,
you get wine, women and song!

Yeah, when you lost your balls in Jihad
and you can no longer screw,

You can always ask Mohammed,
to do it for you!

Yeah, in Mohammed's bordello,
if you don't know what to do,

Just ask Mohammed to put
another bomb in your shoe!

(Jihad boogie music interlude until the end!)

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gunga--

What do you make of US foreign policy, before 9/11, and the increase in Muslim extremism around the same time?

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MarionT wrote:

Islam is a religion of Peace. The Christian Extremists Rosie O'Donnell are in power now in DC. If they took over the whole government, gays would be imprisoned, people who believed in Wicca would be jailed, and Blacks would be hurled back into the status of second class citizens. Isn't it obvious when you read the code words of Robertson and Falwell?

Except for those Muslims that shot a nun in the back and killed her because they didnt like what the Pope said.
Except for the thousands calling for the Popes murder because they didnt like what he said.
Except for the people that use car bombs and suicide bombers against those they disagree with.
Except for those people that use beheading of political emenies as a weapon.

You are absolutely correct,Islam is a religion of peace.

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mysteryman wrote:

MarionT wrote:
Islam is a religion of Peace. The Christian Extremists Rosie O'Donnell are in power now in DC. If they took over the whole government, gays would be imprisoned, people who believed in Wicca would be jailed, and Blacks would be hurled back into the status of second class citizens. Isn't it obvious when you read the code words of Robertson and Falwell?

Except for those Muslims that shot a nun in the back and killed her because they didnt like what the Pope said.
Except for the thousands calling for the Popes murder because they didnt like what he said.
Except for the people that use car bombs and suicide bombers against those they disagree with.
Except for those people that use beheading of political emenies as a weapon.

You are absolutely correct,Islam is a religion of peace.

Hey mysterman, don't try and prove your stupidty. You're no scholar of Islam. You're just a dumb assed truck driver living with a cheap broad in kentucky.

Go suck a watermelon, old boy.

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Dizzy Delicious wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
MarionT wrote:
Islam is a religion of Peace. The Christian Extremists Rosie O'Donnell are in power now in DC. If they took over the whole government, gays would be imprisoned, people who believed in Wicca would be jailed, and Blacks would be hurled back into the status of second class citizens. Isn't it obvious when you read the code words of Robertson and Falwell?

Except for those Muslims that shot a nun in the back and killed her because they didnt like what the Pope said.
Except for the thousands calling for the Popes murder because they didnt like what he said.
Except for the people that use car bombs and suicide bombers against those they disagree with.
Except for those people that use beheading of political emenies as a weapon.

You are absolutely correct,Islam is a religion of peace.

Hey mysterman, don't try and prove your stupidty. You're no scholar of Islam. You're just a dumb assed truck driver living with a cheap broad in kentucky.

Go suck a watermelon, old boy.

Thank you KAK,for your opinion.
Not that it matters one whit however.

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JLNobody wrote:

...Besides American Christians have a military whose might can shock and awe Muslims far more effectively than Muslims can do with their pitiful effigies and martrys. Face it, both sides are insane....

Face it, you've really got your head all the way up your ass to try to make such a BS analogy. We had a very major attack on American soil which killed 3000 innocent Americans and our reaction has been to eliminate the two regimes most responsible for that attack and try to set up two rational governments for the people of those regions.

We could as easily have nuked both Mecca and Medina, and issued and enforced a planetary ban on the practice of I-slam and there would have been justice in that since we were basically attacked by a *ucked up religion, and not a *ucked up country as was the case in 1941.

Think about it.

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