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Rosie and Extremism

 
 
echi
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 12:31 pm
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Let me get this straight, American foreign policy is essentially the extension of a Christian worldview that's ultimate goal is setting the stage for the end times, while satisfying our economic needs in the meantime. Is this what you are trying to say?

US foreign policy is driven more by corporate pressure to expand the market. The "Christian worldview" just happens to help it along, at the moment.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 12:43 pm
echi wrote:
Compare the body counts.


Ok...




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Somali President survives bomb; 8 others killed

<snip>Mr. Yusuf immediately blamed Al Qaeda for the attack on Monday. American officials have said Qaeda cells operate out of Mogadishu, with the aid of the Islamist forces in control of the city.<snip>


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Attacks in Iraq leave 23 dead
The worst attack was in Tal Afar, where a bomber wearing an vest filled with explosives killed 21 people and wounded 17 others when he blew himself up near a line of people waiting to receive their allotment of cooking fuel, according to Iraqi state television.

Tal Afar, a dusty, agrarian city of a quarter million in northwestern Iraq, has been the scene of fierce battles over the past two years as American troops have fought to wrest control of the area from groups affiliated with Al Qaeda and from other insurgents.


That was just from a quick search over the NY Times world news page for the past two days. What do you have?
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 12:57 pm
echi wrote:
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Let me get this straight, American foreign policy is essentially the extension of a Christian worldview that's ultimate goal is setting the stage for the end times, while satisfying our economic needs in the meantime. Is this what you are trying to say?

US foreign policy is driven more by corporate pressure to expand the market. The "Christian worldview" just happens to help it along, at the moment.

Personally I think that "democratic fundamentalism" is more to blame than Christian fundamentalism. This notion that it is our duty to spread democracy to all the peoples of the world. This idea that democracy is the cure-all for all the world's ills. I see more of this in our current leaders than anything. I don't believe that any "end times" scenario even crosses the minds of our leaders. Of course democracy means open markets so I think we would agree there, but I think you far over-estimate the influence of Christianity in our foreign policy.
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echi
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 01:19 pm
Atavistic wrote:
echi wrote:
US foreign policy is driven more by corporate pressure to expand the market. The "Christian worldview" just happens to help it along, at the moment.

Personally I think that "democratic fundamentalism" is more to blame than Christian fundamentalism. This notion that it is our duty to spread democracy to all the peoples of the world. This idea that democracy is the cure-all for all the world's ills. I see more of this in our current leaders than anything. I don't believe that any "end times" scenario even crosses the minds of our leaders. Of course democracy means open markets so I think we would agree there, but I think you far over-estimate the influence of Christianity in our foreign policy.


I would like to see some real "democratic fundamentalism". The US does not seem interested in spreading democracy. Much like Christian fundamentalism, "democracy" is used only as a pretense.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:18 pm
Atavistic -- Sounds like you support violence.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:20 pm
jp -- You can not be serious when you say that our market system is simply about supply and demand. All demands here are jerry-built and jury-rigged. BTW, ever hear of Calvinism?
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echi
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:30 pm
jpinMilwaukee--

This is the point I am trying to make:

The number of civilian deaths caused by US attacks is enormous. These attacks continue, in large part, because of the willingness of American Christians to remain ignorant and to just go along with whatever their preacher says. You might not call them "extremists", but the consequences of their support are extreme.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:38 pm
plainoldme wrote:
jp -- You can not be serious when you say that our market system is simply about supply and demand. All demands here are jerry-built and jury-rigged. BTW, ever hear of Calvinism?


Really??? Coca-cola makes you buy their product? Target forces you to shop at their stores? Toyota makes you drive their vehicle? I didn't realize that I didn't have a choice when I went to Best Buy this weekend and purchased a stereo. I thought I saw other models and other brands there, and I thought I saw a Circuit City right across the street on the way in, but I guess Best Buy somehow jerry-rigged the whole thing so that I bought the exact make and model that i did. Thanks, plainoldeme... you really cleared that up.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:38 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
kuvasz wrote:
So to calling the religion which kills the least the best?


The question concerns Rosie's claim that radical Christianity is as dangerous as radical Islam.

What was it about my observation and remark "the thread has devolved" that you didn't understand?

It's not whether radical Hinduism, radical Satinism, or radical Atheism is as dangerous as radical Islam.

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And calls proclaiming Christrianity as a peaceful religion are God damned dumb. Pointing to your holy books and boasting of its pacifictic nature while ignoring the centuries of where Christian killed Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Animist and even other Christians in defense of that Holy Book makes you look like a blind stupid fool.


What century are you stuck in, kuv? Try to live in the now.

I know by training you are skilled at both clarifying and obfusticating, but you surpass yourself in the latter here by breaking off bits and shards of my post and changing its over-all meaning to make superflous and banal mouthings. Numerous posts heralded a moral supremacy of Christianity versus Islam due to skulls counted during the Crusades. My remarks were quite apropos here in pointing out such a cypher to be misplaced. If you cannot help yourself and your penis stiffens with each post of mine you read and you feel to need to respond to it and distort it with your insanity, go see a doctor. You have contracted Massegetto's Disease..
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:41 pm
echi wrote:
jpinMilwaukee--

This is the point I am trying to make:

The number of civilian deaths caused by US attacks is enormous. These attacks continue, in large part, because of the willingness of American Christians to remain ignorant and to just go along with whatever their preacher says. You might not call them "extremists", but the consequences of their support are extreme.


No, you said:

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Compare the numbers


Which I did.

I have also already pointed out that you are having a difficult time seperating issues. Soldiers in Iraq are not christian extremists. If you want to go rag on the war, go to a different thread. This one is about how dangerous muslim extremists and christian extremists are.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:44 pm
jp -- Naive people believe ads and we are bombarded by ads. Once upon a time, people were upset by the notion of subliminal advertising. Now advertisers regularly "green screen" their products into television shows. You know those ads you see on ballpark walls during baseball games? They're screened in: they don't exist.

Either you're naive or intellectually corrupt by advertising and big business.

Besides, Walmart does what A&P did during the Depression: force out the small business people. Totally corrupt. But, companies like Walmart are actually causing thinking people to never shop at their outlets.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:56 pm
plainoldme wrote:
jEither you're naive or intellectually corrupt by advertising and big business.


Or you are a paranoid schizophrenic.

What are companies supposed to do... invent something and keep it all to themselves? Not advertise because plainoldme is worried about subliminal advertising?

The simple fact of the matter is that nobody forces you to buy anything.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:56 pm
Now that Rosie and Joy are both on the View togehter, it will become a much more interesting program. Starr, Baba Wawa and that little blonde gal have rarely made any interesting contributions.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 03:21 pm
kuvasz wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
kuvasz wrote:
So to calling the religion which kills the least the best?


The question concerns Rosie's claim that radical Christianity is as dangerous as radical Islam.

What was it about my observation and remark "the thread has devolved" that you didn't understand?


What was it about my attempt to jerk you back to the correct topic that you didn't understand?

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And calls proclaiming Christrianity as a peaceful religion are God damned dumb. Pointing to your holy books and boasting of its pacifictic nature while ignoring the centuries of where Christian killed Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Animist and even other Christians in defense of that Holy Book makes you look like a blind stupid fool.


What century are you stuck in, kuv? Try to live in the now.

I know by training you are skilled at both clarifying and obfusticating, but you surpass yourself in the latter here by breaking off bits and shards of my post and changing its over-all meaning to make superflous and banal mouthings. Numerous posts heralded a moral supremacy of Christianity versus Islam due to skulls counted during the Crusades. My remarks were quite apropos here in pointing out such a cypher to be misplaced. If you cannot help yourself and your penis stiffens with each post of mine you read and you feel to need to respond to it and distort it with your insanity, go see a doctor. You have contracted Massegetto's Disease..


The particular remark of yours to which I responded, was your attempt to focus attention on violence committed in the name of Christianity from centuries past. The answer to the question of whether Christianity is more peaceful than Islam can properly be made by looking at the present. If you cannot rebut the argument without looking back more than a century, you fail.

And I responded to your post because I'm well-aware of your talent for obfuscation -- and you really are quite talented in that area, kuv.

Finally, I would appreciate it if you would cease with your fixation on my penis. I'm a married man.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 03:25 pm
echi wrote:
But do you think the Christian extremists are any less bloodthirsty?


Yes, of course they are.

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Do you think they are satisfied with the amount of violence that has already taken place?


Satisfied? I don't think Christians are satisfied at all with the level of violence. Are you satisfied with the level of violence?

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Muslim extremists are more desperate, so they seem more dangerous.


No, Muslim extremists "seem" more dangerous because of their propensity to strap on nail bombs and blow themselves up in crowded cafes and buses in an effort to find their 77 virgins. Christian extremists "seem" less dangerous because they don't tend to do that.

By the way, I'm interested to see your response to jpinMilwaukee's reply to your plea to "compare the body counts." Do you have anything to share, or are you stuck back in the middle ages with kuvasz?
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 03:30 pm
plainoldme wrote:
Atavistic -- Sounds like you support violence.

I support reality.
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 03:32 pm
echi wrote:

The number of civilian deaths caused by US attacks is enormous. These attacks continue, in large part, because of the willingness of American Christians to remain ignorant and to just go along with whatever their preacher says. You might not call them "extremists", but the consequences of their support are extreme.

This is pure nonsense. You are implying that the only people that support war are Christians and that all Christians support war. You are either severely misinformed or intentionally distorting the truth.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 03:38 pm
timberlandko wrote:
MarionT wrote:
What a bunch of nonsense Gungasnake writes. The Crusades were meant to liberate Jerusalem from the evil Muslims. The Crusades were set up to take the land that belonged to the Muslims for centuries. The Crusaders slaughtered millions of Muslims. No one ever seems to remember that.

What a bunch of nonsense MarionT writes. I am very much afraid MarionT is IGNORANT of history! MarionT is not aware that the Crusaders killed more Jews than Muslims and more Christians than Jews. MarionT would do well to do some actual research rather than parrot such idiotic gibberish.



Eagle eyes.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 03:46 pm
Atavistic, you say you support violence because you support reality. Does that mean that you support pedophilia and other atrocities because they exist in reality? Isn't it better to acknowledge that (social) reality is what we make it?
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 04:06 pm
JLNobody wrote:
Atavistic, you say you support war because you support reality. Does that mean that you support pedophilia and other atrocities because they exist in reality? Isn't it better to acknowledge that (social) reality is what we make it?

I never said I support war per say, but I think it is naive and utopian to think we will ever completely rid the world of violence.
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