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Rosie and Extremism

 
 
CerealKiller
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 03:30 pm
News just in:

Christian group kidnaps Rosie O'Donnell, continually wishes her a Merry Christmas until their demands are met.
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MarionT
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 10:56 pm
What a bunch of nonsense Gungasnake writes. The Crusades were meant to liberate Jerusalem from the evil Muslims. The Crusades were set up to take the land that belonged to the Muslims for centuries. The Crusaders slaughtered millions of Muslims. No one ever seems to remember that.
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flushd
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 03:42 am
Yah Rosie. That's cool.

Didn't see it though on tv: The View makes MY head want to explode.
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 06:50 am
MarionT wrote:
Sure, atavistic, you must be one of those Southern "sterilizers". Do you remember the black people who were experimented with in the South? Typical of the Bushies. Do you know anything about the Koran? I'll bet you know nothing about it. You have never had the kind of hospitality that the Koran preaches people must accord a stranger. When a stranger tries to hurt their family they strike back!

I'm sorry to shatter your myopic view of the world, but I am not a Bushie, and I am not from the South. And yes, I've read some of the Koran and I found it disconcerting at best. Besides for every other verse reiterating how the unbelievers are going to hell, I found disturbing the many verses compelling the believers 'slay the infidels' and 'smite their necks.' Is the the peacefulness that you speak of?
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 06:58 am
MarionT wrote:
The Crusades were meant to liberate Jerusalem from the evil Muslims. The Crusades were set up to take the land that belonged to the Muslims for centuries. The Crusaders slaughtered millions of Muslims. No one ever seems to remember that.

You convienently leave out the fact that Jerusalem was a Christian and Jewish city long before Islam even existed. The Muslims conquered it by force in the 7th century. And you have the nerve to portray the Muslims as innocent?
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:40 am
Can we all agree that neither "side" was innocent during the crusades?
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:56 am
Could we also focus on the relevant time frame in which Rosie was referring?

No matter what comparisions can be made during the crusades, it would be absolutely foolish to believe that today's christians are as dangerous as todays Muslims. One only need look at the reaction to the Popes speech for confirmation of that. Churches fire bombed, effigies of the pope burned, a nun shot... yeah I think it is safe to say tha tIslamic extremists are much more dangerous than christian extremists.

While there is outrage at Rosie for her comments, you certainly don't see the "disproportionate response" from them that you are seeing from the muslim religion in response to the pope's speech.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 09:02 am
MarionT wrote:
What a bunch of nonsense Gungasnake writes. The Crusades were meant to liberate Jerusalem from the evil Muslims. The Crusades were set up to take the land that belonged to the Muslims for centuries. The Crusaders slaughtered millions of Muslims. No one ever seems to remember that.

What a bunch of nonsense MarionT writes. I am very much afraid MarionT is IGNORANT of history! MarionT is not aware that the Crusaders killed more Jews than Muslims and more Christians than Jews. MarionT would do well to do some actual research rather than parrot such idiotic gibberish.
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 10:19 am
snood wrote:
Can we all agree that neither "side" was innocent during the crusades?

Sure, why not.
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 10:24 am
This just in, more from the religion of peace...


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367232-details/The+Pope+must+die%2C+says+Muslim/article.do
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 10:55 am
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_on_re_mi_ea/muslims_pope_5
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MarionT
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 03:05 pm
The Encyclopedia Brittanica says that the peaceful Christian Crusades slaughtered thousands of Muslims and put the entire garrison at Acre to the sword. No wonder the mention of the Crusades leave a bitter taste in the mouth of the peoples of the Middle East. History shows that the Europeans, with their military and technological pre-eminence killed far far more helpless peoples in the Middle East than the followers of Mohammed ever did.
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 06:21 pm
MarionT wrote:
The Encyclopedia Brittanica says that the peaceful Christian Crusades slaughtered thousands of Muslims and put the entire garrison at Acre to the sword. No wonder the mention of the Crusades leave a bitter taste in the mouth of the peoples of the Middle East. History shows that the Europeans, with their military and technological pre-eminence killed far far more helpless peoples in the Middle East than the followers of Mohammed ever did.

Ah yes, the peaceful Muslims have never killed innocent people...how dare I suggest such a thing.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 06:23 pm
...as long as you reserve a similar sneer for the "peaceful" Christian crusaders....
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 06:41 pm
snood wrote:
...as long as you reserve a similar sneer for the "peaceful" Christian crusaders....

Why are you nit-picking my comments??
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 06:53 pm
I don't want to let you try to paint the crusades like the big-bad-muslims-against-the-poor-widdle-christians, that's all. Don't take it personally.
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 07:15 pm
snood wrote:
I don't want to let you try to paint the crusades like the big-bad-muslims-against-the-poor-widdle-christians, that's all. Don't take it personally.

That's fine, but I hardly see how you got that impression. I was simply pointing out to our severely misguided friend Marion the ridiculousness of his statements. If he's going to accuse Christians of stealing the Holy land from Muslims, I thought it prudent to point out that they in fact stole it first. Of course the Crusaders committed massacres, noone denies that. But our resident Islamic apologist seems to have a selective memory when it comes to Islamic history. He's a typical rock-throwing glass-homeowner.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 07:20 pm
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
No matter what comparisions can be made during the crusades, it would be absolutely foolish to believe that today's christians are as dangerous as todays Muslims. One only need look at the reaction to the Popes speech for confirmation of that. Churches fire bombed, effigies of the pope burned, a nun shot... yeah I think it is safe to say tha tIslamic extremists are much more dangerous than christian extremists.


You don't think today's Christians are even as dangerous? Come on. Just compare the indiscriminate destruction caused by both sides...it's clear which is more dangerous. This wouldn't be happening without the "support" of Christians in the USA. And maybe the reason they don't usually act so crazy is because they don't have to live on the front lines. Comparing our daily lives to their's, makes about as much sense as comparing Rosie to the Papa.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 07:38 pm
echi wrote:


You don't think today's Christians are even as dangerous? Come on. Just compare the indiscriminate destruction caused by both sides...it's clear which is more dangerous.


If you're implying that christians are the more dangerous, you are seriously deluded. You only need look at the news nearly every night to see the destruction caused by muslim extremists. Whether it is beheadings, or beatings or pure everyday rhetoric and threats of killing the infidels... you only need look at their actions to see how dangerous they are.

Christians, while they certainly have their fair share of dangerous nutjobs, are certainly nowhere near the numbers of muslim extremists in shear

volume of people willing to carry-out extreme acts, nor as broad in their scope of destruction. Most christian extremists who actually carry out their extreme beliefs are pretty narrow in their targets, whether it be abortion clinics or homosexuals or whatever. They may be equally harsh when it comes to pure rhetoric but not when it comes to actions.

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This wouldn't be happening without the "support" of Christians in the USA.
What is "this"?

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And maybe the reason they don't usually act so crazy is because they don't have to live on the front lines. Comparing our daily lives to their's, makes about as much sense as comparing Rosie to the Papa.


If you are referring to Iraq, there are certainly a multitude of Muslims not living on the front line that are still carrying out their jihads all over the world. I am comparing muslim extremist (wherever they live) to christian extremists (wherever they live). You seem to be the one narrowing the focus down to muslims living on "the front lines."
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 07:41 pm
Does it seem a little crazy to anyone else to be arguing "who's got the most evil religion?"
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