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Rosie and Extremism

 
 
jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 07:44 pm
snood wrote:
Does it seem a little crazy to anyone else to be arguing "who's got the most evil religion?"


You've never met my Grandma, snood. Laughing
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 07:46 pm
Is she a full of P&V pistol?
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 07:47 pm
echi wrote:

You don't think today's Christians are even as dangerous? Come on. Just compare the indiscriminate destruction caused by both sides...it's clear which is more dangerous. This wouldn't be happening without the "support" of Christians in the USA. And maybe the reason they don't usually act so crazy is because they don't have to live on the front lines. Comparing our daily lives to their's, makes about as much sense as comparing Rosie to the Papa.

America has always been a militaristic country. It has little, if anything to do with Christianity. Besides, I thought we were in Iraq for oil, not God. You can't have it both ways.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 07:52 pm
snood wrote:
Is she a full of P&V pistol?


Oh... she's a mighty good christian who will chew you up and spit you out if you cross her... all in the name of helping you see the light, of course.

By the way... I recall you being a rather devote christian. Are you having a change of heart or just a person who sees the harm of to much of a good thing?
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Wilso
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:14 pm
woiyo wrote:
Anyone care to support her position with facts showing "christian extremists" blowing themselves up and taking out thousand of innocent victims?

Have any facts of Christian extremists taking hostages and chopping heads off?

Any facts at all ?


I guess those blowing up abortion clinics and protesting at the funerals of murdered homosexuals are very moderate. Rolling Eyes
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:15 pm
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
snood wrote:
Is she a full of P&V pistol?


Oh... she's a mighty good christian who will chew you up and spit you out if you cross her... all in the name of helping you see the light, of course.

By the way... I recall you being a rather devote christian. Are you having a change of heart or just a person who sees the harm of to much of a good thing?


jp, I've never claimed christianity. You may have memories of me defending them, but I tend to defend just about any kind of faith.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:18 pm
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
If you're implying that christians are the more dangerous, you are seriously deluded.
One of us is.
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You only need look at the news nearly every night to see the destruction caused by muslim extremists.

...which is no where near the destruction caused, everyday, because of the support of regular, "who-gives-a-****" Christians.
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Whether it is beheadings, or beatings or pure everyday rhetoric and threats of killing the infidels... you only need look at their actions to see how dangerous they are.
Of course they're dangerous. I didn't say I wanted to hang out with them. But I think you're looking at only one side. Is it only evil destruction when they do it? Besides our military, just look at what happens any night of the week in any US city. Are those all Muslims, too? (Who doesn't look at the news?)

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Christians, while they certainly have their fair share of dangerous nutjobs, are certainly nowhere near the numbers of muslim extremists in shear

volume of people willing to carry-out extreme acts, nor as broad in their scope of destruction.

Yeah. That might all change when they bring the War over here (god forbid).
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Most christian extremists who actually carry out their extreme beliefs are pretty narrow in their targets, whether it be abortion clinics or homosexuals or whatever.

Imagine how they would be if they were fighting for civilization.
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They may be equally harsh when it comes to pure rhetoric but not when it comes to actions.
We'll see.
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This wouldn't be happening without the "support" of Christians in the USA.
What is "this"?
THIS is all the bullshit war (and such).
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And maybe the reason they don't usually act so crazy is because they don't have to live on the front lines. Comparing our daily lives to their's, makes about as much sense as comparing Rosie to the Papa.

If you are referring to Iraq, there are certainly a multitude of Muslims not living on the front line that are still carrying out their jihads all over the world. I am comparing muslim extremist (wherever they live) to christian extremists (wherever they live). You seem to be the one narrowing the focus down to muslims living on "the front lines."
I'm just looking at a more life-like picture. What are you suggesting, anyway? Are Muslims all just crazy?!
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:19 pm
whew
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:25 pm
Atavistic wrote:
echi wrote:

You don't think today's Christians are even as dangerous? Come on. Just compare the indiscriminate destruction caused by both sides...it's clear which is more dangerous. This wouldn't be happening without the "support" of Christians in the USA. And maybe the reason they don't usually act so crazy is because they don't have to live on the front lines. Comparing our daily lives to their's, makes about as much sense as comparing Rosie to the Papa.

America has always been a militaristic country. It has little, if anything to do with Christianity. Besides, I thought we were in Iraq for oil, not God. You can't have it both ways.
All I'm saying is that the United States is God's favorite country, and a lot of Christians, being how they are, will support the US military machine no matter what. I don't know why they do it, but they do it.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:35 pm
echi wrote:

...which is no where near the destruction caused, everyday, because of the support of regular, "who-gives-a-****" Christians.


Really???? Where are all the christians killing women for showing part of their face? Where are the christians fire-bombing mosques? Where are the christians demanding death to all of those that do not believe? Personally I would much rather hang out with a "who gives a **** christian" than somone who wants to cut off my head for not believing the same thing as them


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Of course they're dangerous. I didn't say I wanted to hang out with them. But I think you're looking at only one side. Is it only evil destruction when they do it? Besides our military, just look at what happens any night of the week in any US city. Are those all Muslims, too? (Who doesn't look at the news?)


Care to give me any specifics on "just what happens" or are you going to just generalize everything?


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Yeah. That might all change when they bring the War over here (god forbid).


So in other words... they aren't as bad yet... but have the possibility of becoming equally bad???


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Imagine how they would be if they were fighting for civilization.


i don't have to imagine... I need only look at the muslim extremists right now.

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THIS is all the bullshit war (and such).


The war is a small aspect of the larger issue and we are not targeting ALL muslims... just the ones that want to do us harm.


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I'm just looking at a more life-like picture.

No you aren't. You are looking through hate fille glasses that don't alow you to see the forest through the trees. Your hatred of Bush/war is so overwhellming that you can't see the danger on the front page nearly every night.

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What are you suggesting, anyway? Are Muslims all just crazy?!


No, I am suggesting all muslim extremists are crazy... jut as I consider all christian extremists crazy. I just don't think that the christians are as dangerous as the muslims.
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:40 pm
Wilso wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Anyone care to support her position with facts showing "christian extremists" blowing themselves up and taking out thousand of innocent victims?

Have any facts of Christian extremists taking hostages and chopping heads off?

Any facts at all ?


I guess those blowing up abortion clinics and protesting at the funerals of murdered homosexuals are very moderate. Rolling Eyes

Yeah, all six of them...
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:42 pm
The Pope Must Die

A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution.

Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be "subject to capital punishment".

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367232-details/The+Pope+must+die%2C+says+Muslim/article.do
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:46 pm
See, the point is that extremists do stupid, cruel and evil things.
When you start lining them up and counting them according to category - keeping score, as it were - you ratchet up the insanity.

If we try to reason along those lines, if the muslims kill 3000 and the christians only kill 300, then the christians are better. That's not reasoning. Whatever that activity is, you don't need a brain for it.
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Atavistic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:57 pm
snood wrote:
See, the point is that extremists do stupid, cruel and evil things.
When you start lining them up and counting them according to category - keeping score, as it were - you ratchet up the insanity.

If we try to reason along those lines, if the muslims kill 3000 and the christians only kill 300, then the christians are better. That's not reasoning. Whatever that activity is, you don't need a brain for it.

It is important because it shows that the Christian extremists are primarily mentally ill whackos. On the other hand, the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of Muslim extremists tends to say something about the religion.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 09:00 pm
NEW DELHI, INDIA (BosNewsLife)-- At least 18 Christians, including children, were injured when Hindu militants armed with sticks, rods and other sharp weapons broke up a Christian seminar in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh, the fourth such incident in as many days, a Christian news agency reported Monday, January 30.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 09:02 pm
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 09:03 pm
Hindu- Sikh violence in northern India took six lives today and prompted the Governor of Punjab state to form armed volunteer committees in districts where 24 Hindus have been slain this week.

The authorities redeployed troops around the Golden Temple in Amritsar, according to reports from the sacred Sikh city. Sikh militants are demanding greater political and religious autonomy in Punjab.

Four Sikh gunmen killed a Hindu and wounded four others outside Amritsar, and the police captured three of them in a gun battle, Punjab officials said.

In Gurdaspur, militants shot and killed a villager, the police said.

Four Hindus wounded in earlier clashes died in hospitals today, raising the 11-day death toll to 68, state officials said.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 09:34 pm
Atavistic wrote:
Wilso wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Anyone care to support her position with facts showing "christian extremists" blowing themselves up and taking out thousand of innocent victims?

Have any facts of Christian extremists taking hostages and chopping heads off?

Any facts at all ?


I guess those blowing up abortion clinics and protesting at the funerals of murdered homosexuals are very moderate. Rolling Eyes

Yeah, all six of them...


You've obviously never seen the "God Hates Fags" website. There's alot ******* more than six!
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candidone1
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 09:48 pm
There are millions of warmongering right wing religious zealots in the US who would love to see their Christian beliefs spread throught the world, but don't need to get down and dirty on the front lines of the conflict.

They simply elect the right man into the White House, and he takes care of the rest. He shares their agenda but has the means to see it to fruition.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 09:55 pm
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
echi wrote:

...which is no where near the destruction caused, everyday, because of the support of regular, "who-gives-a-****" Christians.


Really???? Where are all the christians killing women for showing part of their face?

Christians are not killing women for showing their faces. Christians are killing women for taking a walk or for taking a nap.
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Where are the christians fire-bombing mosques? Where are the christians demanding death to all of those that do not believe?
You don't think the United States has ever fire bombed a mosque??
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Personally I would much rather hang out with a "who gives a **** christian" than somone who wants to cut off my head for not believing the same thing as them

So would I. And I do, often. This is practically everyone I know. They are not bad people, but they just don't give a ****. I don't mean the christian extremists. The extremists are at one end of the spectrum, Oprah is at the other, and that leaves most Americans right where they are, which is not caring about the rest of the world... even though their influence on the world is far greater than someone in some other country. Americans don't care, and it the world suffers for it.

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Of course they're dangerous. I didn't say I wanted to hang out with them. But I think you're looking at only one side. Is it only evil destruction when they do it? Besides our military, just look at what happens any night of the week in any US city. Are those all Muslims, too? (Who doesn't look at the news?)


Care to give me any specifics on "just what happens" or are you going to just generalize everything?
I'm generalizing. It's "the news". Every day you hear about violence in the US that doesn't involve any Muslims. It's the same as ever.
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Yeah. That might all change when they bring the War over here (god forbid).


So in other words... they aren't as bad yet... but have the possibility of becoming equally bad???
Muslim extremists are fighting for their "truth". That's why they're dangerous. I'm guessing there are more than a few Christian fundamentalists directly serving in the US government and plenty more who are there, in large part, due to the support of christian groups. Most American Christians are not extremists (at least not in action), but if the war came to the United States everyone's priorities would change.
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Imagine how they would be if they were fighting for civilization.


i don't have to imagine... I need only look at the muslim extremists right now.

Right. Do you think christian extremists would be less feisty?
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THIS is all the bullshit war (and such).


The war is a small aspect of the larger issue and we are not targeting ALL muslims... just the ones that want to do us harm.

Do ALL the muslims in the Middle East want to do us harm? Or are you saying that we're only targeting certain muslims in the Middle East?
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I'm just looking at a more life-like picture.

No you aren't. You are looking through hate fille glasses...
Yeah. That's right.
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...that don't alow you to see the forest through the trees.
Oh, I see the forest, all right. AND the trees. Damn straight.
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Your hatred of Bush/war is so overwhellming that you can't see the danger on the front page nearly every night.

I've lived in Texas most of my life. I am used to George W Bush, by now. I see the danger. And I see that the US is not too interested in avoiding it. I think they are screwing-up. What's the plan? Kill the enemy? That's it?
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What are you suggesting, anyway? Are Muslims all just crazy?!


No, I am suggesting all muslim extremists are crazy... jut as I consider all christian extremists crazy. I just don't think that the christians are as dangerous as the muslims.

That's why I brought up the point about where each of those groups currently is in this struggle. We don't feel the weight of it as much as those living in most other countries, including Middle Eastern countries.
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