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Rosie and Extremism

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 06:56 am
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On the other hand, the Jihadists are certainly following the word of the Quran.


When I was fourteen or fifteen, on my way home from a paper route, I stopped in at my favorite bookstore and picked up a copy of the Koran. I read some, but likely very little, and have no recollection now of what I read. Since then, I've read passages as they've popped up in other things I've been reading.

I consider that I know next to nothing of this book. What's your knowledge level of it, tico?

And how familiar are you with Leviticus?
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 10:08 am
It's like the Bible Bernie. A giant pile of shite. Nothing to do with us. Do you know how they lived when that lot was written? We might as well be on another planet. Ghosts of 'lectricty howl in the bones of our faces.

Honour thy father and mother- I ask you. Be your age.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife/goods . Cor blimey!!

Thou shalt not steal. Am I hearing right?

It's a catalogue of woe and desperation. Put a DVD on---turn the lights down low---check top pocket---gogogo boy. Ain't no looking back.

Are you an old fashioned conservative really?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 11:38 am
blatham wrote:
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On the other hand, the Jihadists are certainly following the word of the Quran.


When I was fourteen or fifteen, on my way home from a paper route, I stopped in at my favorite bookstore and picked up a copy of the Koran. I read some, but likely very little, and have no recollection now of what I read. Since then, I've read passages as they've popped up in other things I've been reading.

I consider that I know next to nothing of this book. What's your knowledge level of it, tico?

And how familiar are you with Leviticus?

Oh! Oh! Oh! ... Can I play? Can I play?

Hey, OSD - curious here - no need to answer if you don't wan't to, but I gotta couple questions -

1) Have you ever been at arms under oath?

and

2) Have you ever personally experienced any armed combat situation, military or otherwise?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 11:57 am
blatham wrote:
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On the other hand, the Jihadists are certainly following the word of the Quran.


When I was fourteen or fifteen, on my way home from a paper route, I stopped in at my favorite bookstore and picked up a copy of the Koran. I read some, but likely very little, and have no recollection now of what I read. Since then, I've read passages as they've popped up in other things I've been reading.

I consider that I know next to nothing of this book. What's your knowledge level of it, tico?


I own a copy, and have read portions. I do not claim to have a high level of knowledge of it. Why do you ask?

I do know that Islam teaches that Muslims must wage war to impose Islamic law on non-Muslim countries. Do you disagree?


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And how familiar are you with Leviticus?


Familiar in the sense that I've read it. Only once, though. I've read the New Testament more.

I don't remember it telling me to attack and kill the infidels. It appears most Christians have the same recollection as I.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 01:50 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
plainoldme wrote:
David -- You did not "just express opinions,"
you battered people, just as you are here with your obnoxious type faces.

Maybe COUNTERbattered.

I did not START trouble
( with a possible exception for communists;
I don 't mind doing the job on THAT filth ).
David


Even with the type sized to normal, this is the raving of a mad man, an utter lunatic. It's a complete non sequitor.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 01:51 pm
blatham wrote:
omsig

I'm a communist and I would like to have anal sex with you. I think I could troll a thousand American trailer parks and not find a more exciting partner than you.


Brilliant.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 01:57 pm
Tico -- Why would events that happened in the Early Modern period or before not qualify? Muslims have been around for about 1,500 years and once came close to mastering Europe. The balance of power has shifted back and forth and people always seem to remember some ancient slight.

Certainly, the theory behind the Crusades was Christian extremism. Some Crusaders may simply have gone off to see the world, and/or grab some spices and silks, and/or forget the girl that dumped him. But, at its root, it was Christian extremism.

Same with witch persecutions. Both events have left us with a words and thought patterns that continue to today. In that sense, they are similiar to Muslim actions. Bet the Muslims want Cordoba back.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 02:39 pm
plainoldme wrote:
Tico -- Why would events that happened in the Early Modern period or before not qualify? Muslims have been around for about 1,500 years and once came close to mastering Europe. The balance of power has shifted back and forth and people always seem to remember some ancient slight.

Certainly, the theory behind the Crusades was Christian extremism. Some Crusaders may simply have gone off to see the world, and/or grab some spices and silks, and/or forget the girl that dumped him. But, at its root, it was Christian extremism.

Same with witch persecutions. Both events have left us with a words and thought patterns that continue to today. In that sense, they are similiar to Muslim actions. Bet the Muslims want Cordoba back.


What you, and others of your ilk, don't undertsand is that Christians outgrew their extremism whereas Islamic extremism is alive and well.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 02:45 pm
McGentrix wrote:
What you, and others of your ilk, don't undertsand is that Christians outgrew their extremism whereas Islamic extremism is alive and well.


McGentrix, what kind of ilk is PlainOldMe?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 02:46 pm
McGentrix wrote:
plainoldme wrote:
Tico -- Why would events that happened in the Early Modern period or before not qualify? Muslims have been around for about 1,500 years and once came close to mastering Europe. The balance of power has shifted back and forth and people always seem to remember some ancient slight.

Certainly, the theory behind the Crusades was Christian extremism. Some Crusaders may simply have gone off to see the world, and/or grab some spices and silks, and/or forget the girl that dumped him. But, at its root, it was Christian extremism.

Same with witch persecutions. Both events have left us with a words and thought patterns that continue to today. In that sense, they are similiar to Muslim actions. Bet the Muslims want Cordoba back.


What you, and others of your ilk, don't undertsand is that Christians outgrew their extremism whereas Islamic extremism is alive and well.


The question for you is, did Christianity grow out of this because of some inherent superiority in Christianity, or because of other, secular conditions which allowed for greater stability in society and nation development?

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 03:16 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
The question for you is, did Christianity grow out of this because of some inherent superiority in Christianity, or because of other, secular conditions which allowed for greater stability in society and nation development?

Cycloptichorn


Yes, that is a question, but I fail to see it's relevance to the issue of whether Christian extremism is more or less dangerous than Muslim extremism.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 03:47 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
The question for you is, did Christianity grow out of this because of some inherent superiority in Christianity, or because of other, secular conditions which allowed for greater stability in society and nation development?

Cycloptichorn


Yes, that is a question, but I fail to see it's relevance to the issue of whether Christian extremism is more or less dangerous than Muslim extremism.


It's relevant because it raises the possibility that the root cause of the extremism isnt' based as much in religion as it is in societal factors, such as the ability for a given society to progress culturally and ethically when given a long, stable period in which to develop and do so; something which has been sorely lacking in the ME region for several hundred years, as compared to Christianity.

Cycloptichorn
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 04:42 pm
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It's relevant because it raises the possibility that the root cause of the extremism isnt' based as much in religion as it is in societal factors, such as the ability for a given society to progress culturally and ethically when given a long, stable period in which to develop and do so; something which has been sorely lacking in the ME region for several hundred years, as compared to Christianity.

Yup
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 04:58 pm
spendius wrote:
It's like the Bible Bernie. A giant pile of shite. Nothing to do with us. Do you know how they lived when that lot was written? We might as well be on another planet. Ghosts of 'lectricty howl in the bones of our faces.

Honour thy father and mother- I ask you. Be your age.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife/goods . Cor blimey!!

Thou shalt not steal. Am I hearing right?

It's a catalogue of woe and desperation. Put a DVD on---turn the lights down low---check top pocket---gogogo boy. Ain't no looking back.

Are you an old fashioned conservative really?


You happened to choose one of my all-time favorite lines there (even if it does throw me onto the ragged edges of a few lysergic moments).

All in all, I'm happy in the modern world. Athens could be smelled from fifty miles out to sea and I haven't had to worry much about seeing my father or daughter gutted (on reflection, I find I'm less concerned about this regarding my brothers, but that's another story).

I'm definitely not a new fashioned conservative. I want to put burning frogs in their underwear and force them to eat English cooking.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 04:59 pm
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I'm definitely not a new fashioned conservative. I want to put burning frogs in their underwear and force them to eat English cooking.


That's funny, you sound like a new-fashioned conservative...

Cycloptichorn
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 05:10 pm
Force is a big thing with you Bernie. I have noticed a lot of forceful images in your posts.

It's a point of view. I respect it.

It is a fabulous line I agree. Way beyond Shakespeare. (He's in the alley). I saw it manifested once but it would take too long to explain. Without Dylan I wouldn't have noticed it.

It's a blue colour. Reich mentions it I think. Somebody did. The blue colour. The tangled up in blue colour of the different point of views.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 08:01 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
The question for you is, did Christianity grow out of this because of some inherent superiority in Christianity, or because of other, secular conditions which allowed for greater stability in society and nation development?

Cycloptichorn


Yes, that is a question, but I fail to see it's relevance to the issue of whether Christian extremism is more or less dangerous than Muslim extremism.


It's relevant because it raises the possibility that the root cause of the extremism isnt' based as much in religion as it is in societal factors, such as the ability for a given society to progress culturally and ethically when given a long, stable period in which to develop and do so; something which has been sorely lacking in the ME region for several hundred years, as compared to Christianity.

Cycloptichorn


Let's assume, arguendo, that what you say is true (and I don't think it is -- the terrorists are guided to Jihad by the Quran, not secular reasons). I still fail to see the relevance of that to the issue of whether Christian extremism is more or less dangerous than Muslim extremism -- which is the central issue of this thread, unless I'm mistaken.
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MarionT
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 11:07 pm
If that is the central question then we must answer the question of who has killed more people since the Eighth Century-Islam or Christianity?
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 02:18 am
Such a question doesn't really admit of any possibility of an answer.

What does "killed" mean in such a context?
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MarionT
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 02:28 am
You know-Killed-The Crusades-the Inquisition-The Religious Wars in Europe--Killed, murdered, slain, wiped out, massacred, burned at the stake, drowned, etc. etc. etc.
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