What causes racial hatred: racists or racial friction?

... independence of courts...

Posted: 3rd June 2003, 21:49 Post subject:
..(judicial system of Israel is not less complicated and contaminated with radical leftists than the Western one, and we have no one in the Supreme Court or in the office of the Attorney General that could be compared to Mr. John Ashcroft for counterbalance purposes), I cannot feel safe...

By the way, not too much time has elapsed since the peak of the bombings mentioned, but the public opinion has already seriously changed; Israelis are being moved not by revenge ideas, but exclusively by security considerations.

CdK, I am sorry for delay in responding your posting, but this stems from the difference in time zones between California and Israel. By all means, I really enjoy discussing matters with you, even when we have very few common points on the issue, since you never resort to ad hominem even on the level of "subliminal suggestion".

...if they continue terror attacks, popular support of establishment of their independent state in Israel will return to levels of March 2002, and Mr. Sharon will be necessitated to change his position for sake of mere political survival (I want to remind that he is a democratic leader, and not Saddam Hussein, hence he is dependent on the public opinion of his compatriots).

The problem is not so much imaginatory. Birth rate among the Arabs is almost twice as among Jews, and laws of mathematics work against Israel.
Arafat's metaphor

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"The womb of the Arab woman," Arafat says smugly, promising ultimate victory over the Jews, "is my strongest weapon."

is far dangerously close to the reality. I must note that the Israeli Arabs tend to define themselves as Palestinians...
The same source ("Village Voice", quite a liberal edition far from being a clone of "Savage Nation") writes

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The updated CIA 2002 factbooks on Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip suggest Arafat is not making an idle boast.

Ahh teh demographic threat. That is, indeed a very real threat to the Israeli way of life.

I skipped past the stats because I agree with you in that Palestinian birth rates present a threat of sorts to Isreal.

steissd wrote:

Me too, but this is impossible. High living standards of Israel, existence of social security service absent in majority of the Arab states, independence of courts and participation of defense attorneys in trials, abolitionism in death penalty issues (the only person ever sentenced to death in Israel was a Nazi war criminal Eichmann) makes life in Israel very attractive for its Arab citizens; this does not make them loyal to Israel, however. Majority of them should be deprived of citizenship and deported to the Palestinian state (they should be permitted to take their property, though, including money deposed in the Israeli banks, being converted to $ or €). Only Druzes (Arabs belonging to some esoteric "para-Muslim" denomination), Christians, several Bedouin tribes and citizens of the Abu-Ghosh village that always were loyal to Israel should be permitted to stay. This will save lots of bloodshed in future for the both sides of the conflict. I do not share the principle Pereat mundus, sed fiat justitia, pragmatic approach would be much more favorable than the legally dogmatic one.
About economic aid to the future Palestinian state. IMO, it must be in shape of humanitarian donations only on the initial period. Later it should be substituted by small business support funds: this will help to create jobs in Palestine and permit them to build their wealth alone.
If after establishment of the Palestinian state relationships of Israel and Arab countries come to normalization, there will be no need in defense-related aid to Israel (if I remember well, it counts $1.8 billion annually), by the way...

Here we disagree. I do not think it's a good idea to weed out Palestinians from Isreal. Especially not if strong economic support for the fledgling Palestinian state is denied.

I know of the concerns of helping Palestine grow only to see it become a real war versus a terrorist uprising.

But I think there are other ways around this. Israel will demand a demilitarized Palestinian state. I support this despite the fact that it's a tough pill to swallow (you don't have much of a state if the other state gets to tell you you can't have guns while they can).

I think it's imperative that the Palestinian state be supported whenever advisable because even if there is a settlement the issue might not be over.

Incidentally you quote 1.8 billion, I remember a figure of 8 billion annually to Isreal but is that mostly not for defense purposes?

Incidentally you quote 1.8 billion, I remember a figure of 8 billion annually to Isreal but is that mostly not for defense purposes?

Ahh teh demographic threat. That is, indeed a very real threat to the Israeli way of life.

Syria will not. Israeli warning will be enough for its giving up the idea. During the war in Lebanon Israel had no grounds to demand Syrian withdrawal, since we kept there army units as well. If Syria makes any attempt to occupy Palestine, and the war starts, Syria will lose Lebanon as well. I hope the Chief Ophtalmologist of Syria, Mr. Assad-Jr. understands this. The Israeli missile launchers deployed on the Golan Heights may (in case of necessity) turn Damascus into a parking lot.
Israeli regional interests do not include Syria as a superpower, therefore it is likely to prevent any attempts of Syria taking over Palestine or deploying there armed forces like it does in Lebanon.

How many hate crimes are committed in NY? What I hear from NY is "stop the hate! stop the discrimination!" I hear Al Sharpton speak about a hate-filled NY.