I'm trying very hard to stay on the same level of humour, and it seems I've failed miserably! c.i.
Craven, it took a lot of racial hatred to murder James Byrd of Jasper, Texas. That extreme degree of racial hatred does not exist in Iceland. Maybe most Icelanders are racist, but none feel the intense racial hatred that can only be generated in a multi-racial environment.
Any act of racially motivated murder requires a degree of racial hatred that is totally absent in places like Iceland. Why isn't the racial hatred fanned in Iceland? There is no racial friction to create that degree of hate.
Your theory that racial hatred is learned comes from where? -- certainly not from history. Tell me what era in history, or what part of the world, where there was never racial hatred?
It's alive, Igor, it's alive ! ! !
This is the thread that just wouldn't die.
Nothing we write here sinks in with Joseph, so (other than Craven's glee in arguing anything, any time) i would ask what purpose it serves to attempt a dialogue with he who will not hear?
What about Bjork? Personally, I think that dress she wore to the last Grammy's was racist and prejudiced against swans...
Frank: I think we have established the fact that if you have only one race living in an area -- and if you exclude, as you do, hating neighbors -- you would probably have no racial friction.
Right, and the reason for this is NOT because of an absence of racists in that area, which is what everyone here is maintaining, but because of the absence of racial friction.
You have made my point. Racists don't cause racial hatred. Racists are the syptom of something caused by racial friction.
By trying to eliminate racists thinking you then eliminate racial hatred, is the equivelant to trying to eliminate the symptoms of small pox, thinking that you are then eliminating the cause of small pox.
Moreover, where is the proof that racial hatred is learned? Has there ever been a society that did not have racial hatred?
Where is the proof that racial hatred is learned? Has there ever been a society that did not have racial hatred?
If there is no proof that racial hatred is learned, then where does it come from?
Distrust of those who are different is an instinct. Human beings are tribal in nature. It is that tribal nature that causes the intense racial hatred and cruelty in Israel. This hatred does not exist in Israel because Jews are taught to hate Palestinians. They are simply suffering from the intense friction that has been created in a very small space that two races, or two peoples, are trying to share.
Cavfancier, where is the proof that racial hatred is learned? Has there ever been a society that did not have racial hatred?
If there is no proof that racial hatred is learned, then where does it come from?
Show me one multi-racial society that did no suffer from racial hatred.
You know how I feel about this post? Die damn you die.
Is that racism?
Dare I weigh in?
I do tend to believe that distrust/suspicion of "otherness" is hard-wired in, as it were.
If one were to be brought up in close contact with people of other races, without hostilities and tensions and so forth present because of various historical reasons, then I do not see that people of other races would be detected as "other" in a significant way.
Even if we accept that there is a certain "hard-wired" aspect to racism, there are many things which come naturally to us to do - (like, for example, have persistent physical skirmishes with other groups of people living nearby and relieve ourselves pretty much anywhere and sniff each others' bottoms) - that we have more or less given up in order to live in large groups.
We are not total puppets to our wiring, and there is no way to "un-mix' the world, even if we wished to.
Also, JosephMorgan, race is by no means the only fracture-line that friction and hostility gather at.
What, for instance, of religion? It used to be that Catholics and Protestants could flock nowhere together in peace - now, except for some sad places where historical issues of power and grievance continue to be explosive, mostly these groups rub along together quite well. This was fully as dangerous and deadly a friction point as race has ever been. Has the wiring changed? What did change? Could it be that inculcation of prejudice and hate ceased to occur?
Is it only the racial irritant that you promote separation for? Ought we to divide countries into sealed regions along religious lines? Political lines? Class lines?
This post asks people to look past mandated dogma, and cultists can't do that.
If racial hatred is learned then there would have to be multi-racial societies in history that did not suffer from racial hatred. Name those multi-racial societies that were not filled with racial hatred.
Why hasn't there been one multi-racial society that did not "teach" racial hatred and so was racially harmonious? Name the multi-racial society that un-taught racial hatred.
The answer is common sense. Tribalism is not taught; it is an instinct.
JM doesn't seem to be getting my point....or anyone else's. I am going with au1929....kill it now, let god sort it out....
What evidence do we have of god sorting stuff out?
But I, for one, am heppy to let it rest in peace.
The bunny should take note that I never capitalize god...I have as much faith in god sorting this out as I do JM getting our point, lol.
c.i., maybe that in this thread, there is no longer a point....
you can't HANDLE the point!
Then give me even one multi-racial country in history that did not have racial hatred?
If racism is taught, why has it never been un-taught?
Give me the name of one multi-racial country that did not contain racial hatred?
Racial hatred is caused by the racial friction created between races trying to share the same territory.
