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The Atkins Diet-Anyone have Experience With It?

 
 
Portal Star
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 05:04 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
Yeah but I said "I don't really want to lose weight but I wanted to try this diet out" in the very same post you cite....

I've got youth on my side as well, prolly won't need to worry about diet at least till I reach puberty.


You made me snicker.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 07:05 pm
Ah, I have various postcards of paintings of Dionysius' follow-up, Bacchus, strewn about my kitchen walls. Ok, not strewn, lined up over the Dumb Waiter, but that's another story..
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2004 10:06 am
What will your arteries look like, after 2 years on Atkins?
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2004 05:10 pm
Much better, Miller, for this quote from Portal Star:

1. you get sick of eating greasy, fatty things all the time, so you eat less.
2. like the olive oil diet, you turn your body into a "greased tube" - all of
the oil prevents absorbtion, and most of it goes right through you.
3. Carbohydrates -are- bad for you, except fiber which is a neccesary part
of your digestive system (beans, granola, etc...)
4. Protein is a mild diuretic, and in large amounts it exits the body

-end quote, is at best very partially true. I am on Atkins, guess what I have for dinner: baby spinach and arugula salad with salmon. I (and many if not most followers of Atkins) do not wolf down meat and sausage, eggs and fat, that is a popular myth (of course there will always be some that do, that is their problem though). Read the book, there are plenty out there - Atkins is quite a healthy lifestyle if you have half a brain to make it work for you and not against you.
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tommac
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2004 07:11 pm
I have been on the atkins diet and it works
I have been on the atkins diet and have lost 100 lbs with it.

I believe in this diet firmly.

Tom
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2004 08:34 pm
The atkins diet that promotes eating all the red meats and cheese you want has been challenged by nutritionists and other health providers. They say that one should keep within 20 percent of one's diet consuming red meats and high fat content foods. Common sense tells me it's a good idea to limit red meat intake.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 09:15 am
right, c.i., and that's precisely why atkins has evolved over the years to what it is today. it does not promote eating all red meat and chease and fat anymore.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 09:58 am
Got this from the Atkins' newsletter:

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Atkins Has Not Changed

"Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters," published in the January 18th edition of The New York Times--and the subsequent publicity--is yet another dramatically inappropriate example of the media reporting on the media and perpetuating a false report on Atkins. This is a great disservice to the millions upon millions of Atkins followers who have been benefiting from this nutritional approach for more than 30 years. The accusation in the media, which claims that Atkins is retreating from its long-held position on the consumption of fat is simply wrong. It is a false premise created by members of the media themselves, based on input from "experts" who apparently have neither read any of Dr. Atkins' books, nor even casually browsed this Web site.

Atkins has not changed. The basic tenets of the Atkins Nutritional Approach™ (ANA), consistent since 1972, are to control the intake of carbohydrates, avoid refined carbs (like sugar and white flour), eat a balance of fats (including saturated fat but not trans fats) and consume a variety of protein sources, such as red meat, fish, poultry and tofu. Saturated fat remains a valuable part of the ANA. There is absolutely no scientific research to support any claims that eating red meat and saturated fat as part of your Atkins program is anything other then beneficial. These protocols have been consistently reinforced as safe, effective and beneficial and have been further supported by 17 studies released over the last three years.

Equally as important, and terribly troubling to all of us at Atkins, is the attempt once again by critics of Atkins to ignore fact, science and the clear messages stated in Dr. Atkins' own words over the past 32 years, in order to sensationalize the ANA as the "all-the-steak-you-can-eat" approach to weight loss and good health. This has never been true and the millions of individuals doing Atkins, along with the health care professionals who have read Dr. Atkins' books, clearly understand this. We would urge anyone who is confused, including the media to simply read Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution, Atkins For Life or The Atkins Essentials, or review this site, rather than interpret Atkins on the basis of sensational reports manufactured on hearsay and mischaracterization.

Even in the original 1972 edition of Dr. Atkins' Diet Revolution, Dr. Atkins explained, "fat allows for enormous variety in your diet; that vital and best of all, it keeps you from feeling deprived. Of course, you aren't confined to steak, you can have almost any kind of meat, fish or fowl." He continued, "One of the biggest reasons this diet works so successfully is because you eat protein and fat…."

Dr. Atkins made no secret of the fact that his methodology evolved over time as scientific discoveries added new and useful information. He rewrote his original 1972 book three times, exactly because he felt it was his responsibility to keep people up to date when it came to the most recent and relevant information on controlled carbohydrate nutrition and health. In the 2002 edition of Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution, he wrote, "Eat either three regular-size meals a day or four to five smaller meals. Eat liberally of combinations of fat and protein in the form of poultry, fish, shellfish, eggs and red meat, as well as of pure, natural fat in the form of butter, mayonnaise, olive oil, safflower, sunflower and other vegetable oils. Adjust the quantity you eat to suit your appetite, especially as it decreases. When hungry, eat the amount that makes your feel satisfied but not stuffed…."

By providing individuals doing Atkins with a life-long strategy, including exercise and meal plans (at various carb thresholds) incorporating a wide range of foods, as explained in Atkins for Life, Dr. Atkins believed he would finally put to rest the misconception that his approach was based on eating only red meat. His simple goal was that people would come to understand how to incorporate his controlled carbohydrate nutritional approach as the first step in gaining control of their nutritionally out-of-control lives.

Millions of individuals who benefit from doing Atkins understand that the ANA is a very effective four-phase approach to healthy eating. The ANA focuses on moving people away from diets loaded with refined carbohydrates like sugar and white flour to a lifestyle centered around eating whole foods and nutrient-dense carbohydrates like leafy greens, and finding a balance in the consumption of proteins and fat.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 06:54 pm
Next time you order a pizza. Wink
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Operator: "Thank you for calling Pizza Hut. May I have your . . ."

Customer: "Hi, I'd like to order."

Operator: "May I have your NIDN first, sir?"

Customer: "My National ID Number, yeah, hold on, eh, it's 6102049998-45-54610."

Operator: "Thank you, Mr. Sheehan. I see you live at 1742 Meadowland Drive, and the phone number's 494-2366. Your office number over at Lincoln Insurance is 745-2302 and your cell number's 266-2566. Which number are you calling from, sir?"

Customer: "Huh? I'm at home. Where d'ya get all this information?"

Operator: "We're wired into the system, sir."

Custome! r: (Sighs) "Oh, well, I'd like to order a couple of your All-Meat Special pizzas . . ."

Operator: "I don't think that's a good idea, sir."

Customer: "Whaddya mean?"

Operator: "Sir, your medical records indicate that you've got very high blood pressure and extremely high cholesterol. Your National Health Care provider won't allow such an unhealthy choice."

Customer: "Darn! What do you recommend, then?"

Operator: "You might try our low-fat Soybean Yogurt Pizza. I'm sure you'll like it"

Customer: "What makes you think I'd like something like that?"

Operator: "Well, you checked out 'Gourmet Soybean Recipes' from your local library last week, sir. That's why I made the suggestion."

Customer: "All right, all right. Give me two family sized ones, then. What's the damage?"

Operator: "That should be plenty for you, your wife and your four kids, sir. The 'damage,' as you put it, heh, heh, comes to $49.99."

Customer: "Lemme give you my credit card number."

Operator: "I'm sorry sir, but I'm afraid you'll have to pay in cash. Your credit card! balance is over its limit."

Customer: "I'll run over to the ATM and get some cash before your driver gets here."

Operator: "That won't work either, sir. Your checking account's overdrawn."

Customer: "Never mind. Just send the pizzas. I'll have the cash ready. How long will it take?"

Operator: "We're running a little behind, sir. It'll be about 45 minutes. If you're in a hurry you might want to pick 'em up while you're out getting the cash, but carrying pizzas on a motorcycle can be a little awkward."

Customer: "How the heck do you know I'm riding a bike?"

Operator: "It says here you're in arrears on your car payments, so your car got repo'ed. But your Harley's paid up, so I just assumed that you'd be using it."

Customer: "@#%/$@&?#!"

Operator: "I'd advise watching your language, sir. You've already got a July 2006 conviction for cussing out a cop."

Custo! mer: (Speechless)

Operator: "Will there be anything else, sir?"

Customer: "No, nothing. Oh, yeah, don't forget the two free liters of Coke your ad says I get with the pizzas."

Operator: "I'm sorry sir, but our ad's exclusionary clause prevents us from offering free soda to diabetics."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 09:32 pm
Not exactly about atkins diet, but seniors will enjoy this one.
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A distraught senior citizen phoned his doctor's office. "Is it true," he wanted to know, "that the medication you prescribed has to be taken for the rest of my life"?

Yes, I'm afraid so," the doctor told him. There was a moment of silence before John replied,
"I'm wondering, then, just how serious is my condition. This prescription is marked 'NO REFILLS'
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2004 03:27 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
The atkins diet that promotes eating all the red meats and cheese you want has been challenged by nutritionists and other health providers. They say that one should keep within 20 percent of one's diet consuming red meats and high fat content foods. Common sense tells me it's a good idea to limit red meat intake.


Common sense also tells me to limit fat intake. By the way, red meat is essential to one's diet, as a source of the chemical heme, which is needed to synthesize hemoglobin. Anything in extreme excess should be avoided. Neutral
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2004 04:32 pm
Moderation is the key to any good diet.
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2004 05:15 pm
va-da-boom
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2004 05:31 pm
Did Dr. Atkins really die from heart failure?
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2004 05:39 pm
He fell on his face and died on the way to the hospital:

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Statement by Veronica Atkins on the illegal distribution of personal medical information regarding her late husband, Dr. Robert C. Atkins

I have always assumed that my husband's personal medical history is private and of no concern or relevance to the media or general public. Prior to today, I have not seen any reason to share Dr. Atkins' private information with the public. I am sure that any one of you would be offended and perhaps even horrified to have complete strangers intrude upon your personal family matters, especially with regard to something as intimate as your medical records or those of your loved ones.

It has now become clear to me that if I don't speak out, unscrupulous individuals will continue to twist and pervert the truth in an attempt to destroy the reputation and great work of my late husband. These individuals have gone so far as to obtain his personal and confidential medical information from the New York City Medical Examiner's office for distribution to news organizations in direct and knowing violation of federal law. Obviously such people will have no trouble picking and choosing bits and pieces of fact and supposition to mislead the world.

But here is the truth: Knowledgeable doctors have reviewed my husband's medical records cardiac specialists have discussed his medical condition. It is clear that Robert developed a condition called cardiomyopathy approximately three years prior to his death. It is also true that when he developed cardiomyopathy his coronary arteries showed only minimal and clinically insignificant signs of coronary artery disease, consistent with what would be expected in a 69-year old man. Cardiomyopathy is a serious and progressive condition and was, I have been told, in Robert's case, caused by a viral infection. Though this condition significantly weakened his heart, its cause was clearly related to an infection and not his diet.

All of this was well documented and openly discussed by Robert himself on national television. Additionally, as Dr. Atkins explained on "Larry King Live" and other public appearances, he did have a witnessed cardiac arrest in April of 2002. All accounts and records related to this event, and the insight of his treating cardiologist, are consistent with conditions arising from his cardiomyopathy, a lack of blood flow. Robert did have some progression of his coronary artery disease in the last three years of his life including some new blockage of a secondary artery that was remedied during this admission. He did not have a heart attack.

There is no evidence to suggest otherwise and for any physician to suggest so would be irresponsible, unethical and represent nothing more than an attempt to tarnish the reputation of a man who dedicated his life to solving one of medicine's greatest challenges-the obesity epidemic. Let me state emphatically that I have been assured by my husband's physicians that his health problems late in life were completely unrelated to his diet or any diet.

It is also clear that my husband's death resulted from a serious head injury that occurred April 8th, 2003. Hospital records obviously and unequivocally detail the unfortunate clinical course that transpired following arrival of Emergency Medical Services through the entirety of hospitalization, confirming that after losing consciousness en route to the hospital, Robert's condition failed to improve, despite emergency neurosurgical treatment for bleeding in his brain. In life, Dr. Atkins was adamant about not wanting life support and when his wishes were honored, and ventilator life support was withdrawn on April 17th, he passed away, as has been widely reported in the media.

But it has become clear to me that something as simple as the truth will be perverted and manipulated by dishonest individuals who will stop at nothing and will proceed without any regard for medical ethics or the previously private medical history of Dr. Atkins in an attempt not only to discredit my husband's work but to profit from his death. Work, I might add, that has been consistently and repeatedly vindicated by 18 independent scientific studies over these past three years. I now find myself in the uncomfortable position of having to relive my late husband's horrific accident and defend him from people who would convince you that stolen and irrelevant bits and pieces of his medical history carry more validity than published scientifically controlled and peer-reviewed research out of Harvard, Duke University, the American Heart Association and the National Institutes of Health.

It is for these reasons that I must put aside my grief and pain and speak out. Make no mistake about it, Dr. Atkins, at the end of life, was struggling with the effects of his cardiomyopathy and did not hide that fact. Despite repeated, often pathetic and now even illegal attempts by his most bizarre and extreme detractors to make the health of this 72 year old man the central issue in the all-important obesity debate raging in this country and around the world, it is not and never will be relevant. It is a sad and distracting sideshow, taking time away from an intelligent debate of the known science.

We should all ask, is caring about what someone else eats so important that some doctors are willing to betray their most basic of oaths, to protect a patient's dignity and confidentiality? It is time to forget the myths and urban legends perpetuated by extremists like those who acted unethically in disclosing my husband's records and pay more attention to the real issues and all available peer-reviewed science.

I will do my utmost to put an end to this nonsense so that responsible physicians can focus on a debate rooted in fact and moderation and objectivity. We will not engage in espionage, tabloid journalism or try to shout louder than these shameless individuals and I look forward to the day when my husband's soul can rest in peace and I can grieve uninterrupted.
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2004 05:47 pm
If he fell on his face, how is it that he suffered a subdural hematoma? Is this possible? I thought this type of cerebral damage occurred only when the victim fell on the back of his skull?
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Portal Star
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2004 06:52 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
right, c.i., and that's precisely why atkins has evolved over the years to what it is today. it does not promote eating all red meat and chease and fat anymore.


Yes, Dagmarka, I was talking about the original "Atkins." not the modified Atkins, which is, essentially, trying to be a balanced diet and pretending it is doing somthing sensational (while you pay for it.)
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mobsta
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 06:21 am
ATKINS - 3 days in !!??
I have just started the ATKINS and am finding it hard to decide what I have to eat in the morning etc. Having to go to work etc doesnt leave me long to come up with something, but sometimes I am just standing there thing of what to have.

Also for lunch, does anyone have any suggestionsfor a work environment?? Something that will make you feel full?? Should I just have bacon and sausages etc .

PLEASE HELP!?!?! Sad
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 06:36 am
mobsta- Welcome to A2K! Very Happy

I will by a ready cooked chicken in the supermarket. I chop it up with some celery and mayonaisse, and voila! instant chicken salad. I usually make enough for about three days You can do that with canned tuna or salmon too.

Another great thing to chop up in salads is broccoli slaw. It has a nice flavor, and goes well with chicken, tuna or salmon. In the morning, I will have some salad with an Atkins shake.

If you keep an open mind, after awhile it won't seem strange to eat chicken for breakfast!
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mobsta
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 06:56 am
Phoenix
Jeeze thanks you for such a rapid reply, I have just come back from Lunch and have had a TUNA salad. So not too bad.

Also, if you could tell me, are you allowed to eat a small amount of nuts, Cheese (Cheddar) during INDUCTION phase.

Thanks for your help.
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