Is abortion really wrong?

I didn't think you would.

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Oh. Was it not directed at me?

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intrepid i think its number two...if they are interested in other ideas they wouldnt scoff at people using religion in a debate in this forum......

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Echi everyone is welcomed here....but why would anyone want to be here if they have no interest whatsoever in religion? unless they just want to try and cause contention?

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Intrepid wrote:

kate4christ03 wrote:
true i see y'alls point but then i must ask, why do they come in here if not to hear or debate about spirituality and religion....thats about as silly as if i were to go to the law forum ask a question then refuse to hear any answer that includes the law in it.........

Most likely 1 of 2 reasons.

1 - They are open and want to explore new and exciting ways to an eternal future.

2 - They are rabble rousers who want to feel superior.

Personally, I like to understand the points of view of others, and like to help them to understand mine. An issue like abortion is especially important to debate in the interests of understanding and communication. It's obvious there's a problem in this regard when each side considers the other to be inhuman monsters for holding the position they do.

Actually, I think some of us have come a long way to realise that religion should have no part in the debate on abortion....or least separating the religious issues from the medical ones, and understanding the difference.

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Eorl,
As long as the issue of abortion is presented in a religious forum, you will have religious people respond. Most people with a deep faith in God consider abortion an abomination and that will be their stance. Whether you consider this to be a religious rather than a medical concern would be somewhat moot in a religious forum.

Morals, ethics and the respect for life are not medical. They are, however. very valid reasons to abhor abortion.

Abortion for purely medical (where the life of the mother is at risk) reason is another matter. Abortion solely to rid oneself of the growing life inside of them is another kettle of fish. If you consider this to be a religious reason...sobeit.

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I agree with much of that Intrepid.

But my point is that your two "reasons" were childish and silly.

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Eorl wrote:

I agree with much of that Intrepid.

But my point is that your two "reasons" were childish and silly.

Childish and silly are, again, subjective opinions. You are entitled to your opinion. In this case, I do not agree with you.

Unless, you are talking about 2 different reasons than I assume you are.

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Intrepid wrote:

kate4christ03 wrote:
true i see y'alls point but then i must ask, why do they come in here if not to hear or debate about spirituality and religion....thats about as silly as if i were to go to the law forum ask a question then refuse to hear any answer that includes the law in it.........

Most likely 1 of 2 reasons.

1 - They are open and want to explore new and exciting ways to an eternal future.

2 - They are rabble rousers who want to feel superior.

Those two reasons.

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Eorl wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
kate4christ03 wrote:
true i see y'alls point but then i must ask, why do they come in here if not to hear or debate about spirituality and religion....thats about as silly as if i were to go to the law forum ask a question then refuse to hear any answer that includes the law in it.........

Most likely 1 of 2 reasons.

1 - They are open and want to explore new and exciting ways to an eternal future.

2 - They are rabble rousers who want to feel superior.

Those two reasons.

Oh, those. Of course, they had nothing to do with the subject of abortion. They were in answer to why people who debunk religion bother to post in religious forums.

You may think they are silly, but unless you can give me better answers that will cause me t change my mind. I still with them. Perhaps you only think they are silly and childish because they evoke feelings of guilt in you.

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Intrepid wrote:

You seem so absolutely, positively, 100% dyed in the wool certain. Your faith is amazing.

Uh... Certain that you won't persuade the non-religious with religious rhetoric?
I was just trying to help. I'm on your side, you know?

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Intrepid wrote:

Eorl wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
kate4christ03 wrote:
true i see y'alls point but then i must ask, why do they come in here if not to hear or debate about spirituality and religion....thats about as silly as if i were to go to the law forum ask a question then refuse to hear any answer that includes the law in it.........

Most likely 1 of 2 reasons.

1 - They are open and want to explore new and exciting ways to an eternal future.

2 - They are rabble rousers who want to feel superior.

Those two reasons.

Oh, those. Of course, they had nothing to do with the subject of abortion. They were in answer to why people who debunk religion bother to post in religious forums.

You may think they are silly, but unless you can give me better answers that will cause me t change my mind. I still with them. Perhaps you only think they are silly and childish because they evoke feelings of guilt in you.

Now that you've caught up with the conversation, you might want to go and read my response to that post.

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Doktor S wrote:

What scott and others fail to understand is that 'murder' is a completely arbitrary term. Abortion is only 'murder' in those places in which it is legally designated as such.
It's shades of grey. If you prefer black and white, as scott and others like him seem to, one might wonder why capital punishment, war, and shootings by police wouldn't also be considered murder..which of course they seldom are.
The odor in the air, you smell it?
It's hypocrisy.

Those who would commit shootings just for the hell of it are murders.
Do you think our troops our murders?
Do you think these wacked out Islamic MORONS would let you live if you said no to their relgion?

Both answers are no.
They kill for their messed up god. Our troops kill them to protect others from the murderous actions. They are therefor not murders but excutioners.
As far as black and white ( there is no GREYS ) only those who want to believe in greys about something would speak in such liberal ways.

Murder is the taking away of someones life immorally that has not done an immoral action themselves to demand their life being taken away.

All Islamic Morons would just out right kill you that is immoral. And based on just morals they should be stopped.

Abortion is Immoral and any who commit such an act also should be stopped.

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Chaplin wrote:

Doktor S, The hypocrisy is so evident when these folks wish to impose their religious beliefs to all of society

Now Now you must remember I dont consider myself RELGIOUS.
And In almost all of these posts in this Abortion forum I have not used relgion at all for my arguement.

Now why dont you take your own hypocrisy and stick it where the sun don't shine sense you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

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echi wrote:

Chaplin wrote:
Doktor S, The hypocrisy is so evident when these folks wish to impose their religious beliefs to all of society[...]

To my religious compadres (you know who you are)--
I beg you to refrain from injecting your religiosity when arguing against those who don't give a crap about it. You don't need religion to prove your point, anyway. It only gives them an opportunity to ridicule and further avoid the questions that matter.

Like i have already said.
I have not been using any relgion in my posts on this Abortion forum. Thank you very much.

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real life wrote:

No, it comes down to the medical status of the unborn.

Can it be shown beyond reasonable doubt that abortion is not the extermination of a living human being?

If it cannot, then the benefit of the doubt should favor the preservation of the unborn, not it's reckless destruction.

That is a good point and i totally agree.

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Scott, how old are you? If you really are 9 or 10, I think we'd find it easier to see where you're coming from.

This is a serious question, not an insult.

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echi wrote:

What? I don't get it, Intrepid.

Of course not. LOL.

I got it.

Bout fell of the chair laughing.

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echi wrote:

Oh. Was it not directed at me?

HE HE HE HE

THis is just so funny.

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Eorl wrote:

Scott, how old are you? If you really are 9 or 10, I think we'd find it easier to see where you're coming from.

This is a serious question, not an insult.

Hello Eorl.

I am 36, I was born on Oct 22, 1969.

I was born in SC.

I live in Ocala Fl, where I have lived sense the 2nd grade.

If you have any other personal questions that you would like to ask of me, I will either answer them or give you a NO COMMENT response.

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